RE: The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians
January 31, 2018 at 7:15 pm
(This post was last modified: January 31, 2018 at 7:49 pm by Huggy Bear.)
(January 31, 2018 at 12:52 pm)Grandizer Wrote: Let's see if we can make some sense out of this.
The Trinity, in the mainstream sense, refers to the one God who is three Persons, each being fully the one God, yet distinct from each other.
The Father is fully the one God.
The Son is fully the one God.
The Holy Spirit is fully the one God.
They are all one and the same God, yet three distinct Persons of God?
Of course, many of us are aware of the history behind how the Trinity doctrine came to be, but let's overlook that for the sake of argument and let's see how theists who are all about using logic can make logical sense out of this one.
Remember, the Persons of the Trinity are each the one and only God; they are not aspects/states of the one God (i.e., modalism) or three gods in one (e.g., as Mormons believe).
Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are nothing more than different titles held by the same God.
God = God above us
Son = God with us
Holy Spirit = God in us
Did not God tell Moses that he was I AM? Did not Jesus state that "before Abraham was born, I am"?
Jesus was God in human flesh, hence why he was called Emmanuel which means God with us.
Also does not the bible state that Jesus was the fullness of the Godhead bodily?
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. - Colossians 2:9
If Jesus is part of a trinity then that would make him part of the Godhead not the fullness of it.
(January 31, 2018 at 3:21 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I just can't imagine that 4th dimension. It's also hard to wrap my head around black holes, infinity, etc. There is a lot we don't know and can't fully comprehend about the universe, but that is expected. So it is with God.
The 4th dimension simply put, is time.
If a 2 dimensional being were to observe a human he would only see the human in cross sections:
![[Image: 00083.jpeg]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=www.rudyrucker.com%2Fthefourthdimension%2Fimages%2F00083.jpeg)
the shaded areas are what the the 2d character sees but that obviously isn't the whole picture, and as the human continues to fall through the image would be constantly shifting in form.
So if you think about it, if time is the 4th dimension then we being 3D creatures experience time in cross sections, since to us time is linear, a 4th dimensional being would be able to move back and forth through time at will, since past and future cease to exist.
If you've ever watched Star Trek: Deep Space Nine they basically had the concept of 4th dimensional beings referred to as wormhole aliens to whom existed outside of linear time.