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The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians
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RE: The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians
(January 31, 2018 at 12:52 pm)Grandizer Wrote: Let's see if we can make some sense out of this.

The Trinity, in the mainstream sense, refers to the one God who is three Persons, each being fully the one God, yet distinct from each other.

The Father is fully the one God.

The Son is fully the one God.

The Holy Spirit is fully the one God.

They are all one and the same God, yet three distinct Persons of God?

Of course, many of us are aware of the history behind how the Trinity doctrine came to be, but let's overlook that for the sake of argument and let's see how theists who are all about using logic can make logical sense out of this one.

Remember, the Persons of the Trinity are each the one and only God; they are not aspects/states of the one God (i.e., modalism) or three gods in one (e.g., as Mormons believe).

While I doubt your intentions are for mutual understanding, here goes...

Your Father, Son, Holy Spirit statements are wrong and an obvious attempt to write into your question your conclusion. God is one thing. One soul. Even saying Jesus is God is technically wrong because Jesus =/= God. The Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit = God. 

God is a soul. What is a soul? The soul or mind is an immaterial or spiritual substance that makes you you (the "I" when you refer to yourself). It is not equal to your brain but relies on it in our present state much like a computer software relies on computer hardware. The soul holds our consciousness, which includes our intellect and volition which allow us to be self-reflective and capable of self determination. I believe like J. P. Moreland that there are various type of souls--from a basic animal with simple reasoning abilities to Chimpanzees with richer capabilities, to humans with even more, to God at the pinnacle. 

We experience that each of us has a soul/mind equipped with advanced rational cognitive faculties that we say is sufficient for personhood. God is one soul with three complete sets of rational cognitive faculties with three centers of self-consciousness, intentionality, and will. One immaterial soul containing three distinct persons. There are interesting attributes this creates like God is a relational being and is capable of relational interactions--even within himself (much like we are better people having relationships with other persons). 

While I am not going to say this is the absolute right way to view the trinity, it does counter any claims of being incoherent or illogical.
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The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians - by Grandizer - January 31, 2018 at 12:52 pm
RE: The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians - by SteveII - January 31, 2018 at 9:17 pm
RE: The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians - by Drich - February 7, 2018 at 10:33 am
RE: The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians - by Drich - February 7, 2018 at 5:57 pm
RE: The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians - by Drich - February 8, 2018 at 2:26 pm
RE: The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians - by Drich - February 9, 2018 at 10:09 am
RE: The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians - by Drich - February 9, 2018 at 10:36 am

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