RE: Do I believe Atheists are going to hell?
January 31, 2018 at 10:17 pm
(This post was last modified: January 31, 2018 at 10:28 pm by LadyForCamus.)
(January 31, 2018 at 7:42 pm)SteveII Wrote:(January 31, 2018 at 5:21 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: And, more to your point; yes he did give an advantage when he consciously decided to make the world exactly as it is, knowing how things would shake out. Your ad-hoc rationalizations to the effect of, ‘god couldn’t have done better, and couldn’t do anything differently,’ are exactly that: Rationalizations, in the face of an obviously unjust system created by a supposed ‘perfectly just’ entity.
No, I am sure the are near infinite worlds he could have created. You would have to show that the world that he did choose to create was not the one with the most overall good given that humans have free will. No rationalization needed. No counter argument will hold up.
Well, no. I’m not going to just give free will to the argument. That’s my whole point. But you’re right; there are a near infinite number of worlds he could have created. The onus is on you to demonstrate your premise that a world with free will, that inevitably results in billions of souls suffering in eternal spiritual agony, is better than any other alternative, including worlds without free will. So far, the strongest you’ve offered is that, “it seems” to be that way. Better for who? And why?
But, coming back to reality, of course you have no possible way of demonstrating such a premise without first demonstrating that the proposed creator exists in the first place. Otherwise, all of this is nothing more than a philosophical “Choose Your Own Adventure”.
Quote:I didn't make any such statements about God being incomprehensible in this thread (or in any other I can remember) so any claims of inconsistency are imagined.
I do recall you having said as much in previous threads, but since I can’t remember which ones, I’ll wipe the slate clean of that charge and stick with what you have said in this thread specifically. Apologies.
Quote:The fact that you are literally complaining that I have a well-formed arguments with philosophical underpinnings is amusing.
I disagree that you have a well-formed argument, for the reasons I have stated above.
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Wiser words were never spoken.
Wiser words were never spoken.