Do I believe Atheists are going to hell?

[LadyForCamus]

Well, no.  I’m not going to just give free will to the argument. That’s my whole point.  But you’re right; there are a near infinite number of worlds he could have created.  The onus is on you to demonstrate your premise that a world with free will, that inevitably results in billions of souls suffering in eternal spiritual agony, is better than any other alternative, including worlds without free will.  So far, the strongest you’ve offered is that, “it seems” to be that way.  Better for who?  And why? 

Free will is absolutely central to almost all Christian doctrine. You don't get to withhold it in a discussion about Christian doctrine. It is a given.

I understand that, but I’m not here to sit back and listen to a lecture on the details of the Christian doctrine.  Of course, your arguments regarding the doctrine are logical within the doctrine.  That’s not so hard to accomplish.  ‘According to Christianity, free will is the most important thing to god, therefore a world with free will is the best possible world, because Christianity says so.’  What I am doing is questioning  the moral and logical underpinnings of those doctrines.  

 I’m not trying to withhold  free will from the discussion at all; quite the opposite, in fact.  I’m saying I don’t concede that it’s objectively the best possible world, because no one has given me a logical reason besides, ‘cuz god said so.’    I’m asking you to think outside that bubble for ten minutes and ask yourself why a creation with free will is “better” than one without it, considering god knew ahead of time how many of his children’s souls would be damned for eternity.  Better for who, and why? Also, why did god create us at all?

Do you really think this is a point that needs to be made in a discussion about a very specific Christian doctrine?

It is if I’m questioning the underlying moral and logical foundations of this god, and how people decide who exactly he is, and why he does what he does.  How do any of you know any of that outside of, ‘the Bible tells me so’?

It is actually a discussion stopping device usually pulled out when all the objections have been knocked down.[/i]

Oh, I have a nearly endless number of objections to the Christian doctrine, lol.  I’ve no interest in stopping discussion.  I much prefer engaging with you, rather than a character the likes of Banned, who simply says, ‘I believe it cuz I believe it; praise Jesus, you’re gonna burn.’  That’s no fun at all.  😛