(February 1, 2018 at 4:07 pm)Grandizer Wrote:(February 1, 2018 at 11:55 am)SteveII Wrote: Judging from your posts in general, if you thought you understood a Christian doctrine "back in the day", then it is almost certain that you did not. As is the case here.
The authority on the Christian faith thus speaketh, the one who believes Jesus is only a part of God.
Quote:Everything I have said is consistent with a standard view on the Trinity. Nothing you said is. From the very first paragraph of the Wikipedia article:
Not that Wikipedia is the go-to source for a complicated topic like this, but nevertheless, here's what the next paragraph which you did not quote says:
Quote:According to this central mystery of most Christian faiths, there is only one God in three Persons: while distinct from one another in their relations of origin (as the Fourth Council of the Lateran declared, "it is the Father who generates, the Son who is begotten, and the Holy Spirit who proceeds")[9] and in their relations with one another, they are stated to be one in all else, co-equal, co-eternal and consubstantial, and each is God, whole and entire.[10]
Note the bold. This is contrary to what you believe. If each Person of God is just a part of God, then none of them are God, whole and entire.
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church itself (again, note the bold):
Quote: 253 The Trinity is One. We do not confess three Gods, but one God in three persons, the "consubstantial Trinity".83 The divine persons do not share the one divinity among themselves but each of them is God whole and entire: "The Father is that which the Son is, the Son that which the Father is, the Father and the Son that which the Holy Spirit is, i.e. by nature one God."84 In the words of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215), "Each of the persons is that supreme reality, viz., the divine substance, essence or nature."85
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/ar...s2c1p2.htm
Did it occur to you that you had to skip over phrase after phrase that says what you don't want it to say to get to one you could construe as support. Note the RED. At the tail end of all these clear statements (literally) that God is one thing in three persons, only then do both references include phrases to emphasize that God is inseparable into the three parts. That is all you are seeing here--God is inseparable and not complete without the three persons--two sides of the same coin.
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(February 1, 2018 at 12:11 pm)SteveII Wrote: Actually it says exactly what I said: that Jesus is part of God. If you go to the other parts of the Nicene Creed, you will see that the Father and the Holy Spirit described as part of God too. Read it in its entirety and carefully, it's all there. Clearly all three are described as God.
Where? Are we reading the same thing? Jesus is true God, not a part of the true God.
Yes, 'consubstantial' means of one substance with the Father (or in your version of the creed: "One in Being"). Now, if we say something shares the same substance (or is "one in being") with something else, we say that the first thing, along with the second thing are part of something--in this case God.
