(February 1, 2018 at 5:52 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote:(January 31, 2018 at 12:52 pm)Grandizer Wrote: Let's see if we can make some sense out of this.
The Trinity, in the mainstream sense, refers to the one God who is three Persons, each being fully the one God, yet distinct from each other.
The Father is fully the one God.
The Son is fully the one God.
The Holy Spirit is fully the one God.
They are all one and the same God, yet three distinct Persons of God?
Of course, many of us are aware of the history behind how the Trinity doctrine came to be, but let's overlook that for the sake of argument and let's see how theists who are all about using logic can make logical sense out of this one.
Remember, the Persons of the Trinity are each the one and only God; they are not aspects/states of the one God (i.e., modalism) or three gods in one (e.g., as Mormons believe).
It was all because Christians copied Roman gods and theology, or at least Roman Catholics did because other Christians sects who found it to be bullshit were put down and all Christian denominations we have now sprouted from Roman Christians.
So like Romans used to worship a mother goddess Cybele, so much that they couldn't just let it go, they made Jesus' mother into another Cybele (although Jesus damned his own mother). There is a BBC documentary where they talk about this Mary/ Cybele thing and it's at the very beginning although it then stretches in cropped segments
So they did with St. Peter who gained the same place of worship (Vatican) as was with god Janus, god of doors who held keys to heaven.
Romans also had Capitoline Triad which was a group of three deities who were worshiped in ancient Roman religion (Jupiter, Juno and Minerva) which they took from other religions, like Egyptians. They loved it and wanted to keep it in new religion and while it made sense in polytheistic religion it didn't make any in monotheistic one and to no wonder Trinity is never mentioned in the Bible. Just like it doesn't make sense to worship Mary because Jesus cursed her.
Thanks for the information.
But the trinity is mentioned in Matthew 28:19 (NOG) = "So wherever you go, make disciples of all nations: Baptize them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit."
https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Matthew%2028:19
John 14:26 (NKJV) = 26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you."
https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/John%2014:26
Is being baptized in the name of Yeshua good enough or do you need something more?
Acts 8:15-17 (NOG) = "15 Peter and John went to Samaria and prayed that the Samaritans would receive the Holy Spirit. 16 (Before this the Holy Spirit had not come to any of the Samaritans. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Yeshua.) 17 Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and the Samaritans received the Holy Spirit."