RE: The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians
February 1, 2018 at 6:59 pm
(This post was last modified: February 1, 2018 at 7:04 pm by GrandizerII.)
(February 1, 2018 at 5:29 pm)SteveII Wrote:(February 1, 2018 at 4:07 pm)Grandizer Wrote: The authority on the Christian faith thus speaketh, the one who believes Jesus is only a part of God.
Not that Wikipedia is the go-to source for a complicated topic like this, but nevertheless, here's what the next paragraph which you did not quote says:
Note the bold. This is contrary to what you believe. If each Person of God is just a part of God, then none of them are God, whole and entire.
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church itself (again, note the bold):
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/ar...s2c1p2.htm
Did it occur to you that you had to skip over phrase after phrase that says what you don't want it to say to get to one you could construe as support. Note the RED. At the tail end of all these clear statements (literally) that God is one thing in three persons, only then do both references include phrases to emphasize that God is inseparable into the three parts. That is all you are seeing here--God is inseparable and not complete without the three persons--two sides of the same coin.
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Where? Are we reading the same thing? Jesus is true God, not a part of the true God.
Yes, 'consubstantial' means of one substance with the Father (or in your version of the creed: "One in Being"). Now, if we say something shares the same substance (or is "one in being") with something else, we say that the first thing, along with the second thing are part of something--in this case God.
Sigh ... if God is a Being rather than some abstract collective, then nothing changes in my argument. Of course I'm aware that God, in the context of the Trinity, is a Being as opposed to a Person. But a Being is still a "concrete" entity, not an abstract (or mere nature). God is supposed to be a real thing, not just a name/title. I'm not obliged to adhere to your personal interpretation of the doctrine, especially since nowhere in these official texts does it say each Person of God is merely a part of God.
(February 1, 2018 at 6:39 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:(February 1, 2018 at 8:20 am)Grandizer Wrote: Huggy, that's fine. You're not a Trinitarian, so it's a waste of time arguing about something neither you nor I believe in. You can make a new thread for what you're arguing about.Then what is the purpose of your op? Trolling? I've just shown that the Trinitarian doctrine can't be supported scripturally, yet you ignore that and continue to troll.
Do you not realize that the early Christian were devout Jews that still kept the law? No Jew would ever accept Three separate Gods, that would break the first commandment. They have always worshipped one God
Purpose is to challenge the Trinitarian Christians. That's not trolling, is it?
I agree with you. It's not Scripturally supported. The early Christians did not believe in the Trinity, sure.
Since I agree with you here, why do you want me to argue with you? Attention?
