The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians

[GrandizerII]

I love this answer from the billygraham.org site. It just shows that, no matter how SteveII tries desperately to make the Trinity logical by reducing "nature" in the context of the Trinity to mere abstract nature, that other Christians (likely more well-versed than he) accept that the Trinity is beyond human comprehension, and there's no way to make sense out of this.

Here's what they say (and note especially the final paragraph!!):


https://billygraham.org/answer/can-you-e...ity-to-me/

At least, they're being honest, whoever came up with that answer.

I have no idea what you are rambling about with "abstract nature". 

Your continued foot stomping that the concept of the Trinity is illogical seems to come from your preconceived notion that it is, so no one could possibly explain it in a logical manner. In your silly quest, you keep finding phrases that you think help you--which ironically always follow other phrases that explain it pretty well. The latest attempt involves finding a statement that says "it's a mystery". So what? We have no example anywhere to compare it to so the concept is mysterious. No where in the entire quote does it even imply that the Trinity is illogical. In fact, it does the opposite. Hard to comprehend =/= illogical.

I quoted that one to show the clear contrast between Christians like you and Christians like the one quoted. One is humble about their human limitations, the other is not. Historically, the Trinity doctrine was brought forth in spite of its incomprehensibility, not because it makes sense. It was meant to reconcile the observed contradictions in the Bible, where on one hand, you had passages saying God is one, and other passages alluding to Jesus as being divine in some fashion. This was partly prompted by the theological battle that went on between Arius and Athanasius and co.

Fact of the matter, Steve, is that it's meant to defy logic. It's the only way they could reconcile the perceived contradictions.

So when you try to make it logical, you are no longer adhering to that same doctrine you think you're defending.

The official creeds/texts on this matter are clear that God is one Being (Entity) and that the Persons of God aren't "parallel" to each other. They are ontologically one and the same. God is not some abstract attribute or abstract collective of the divine Persons. God is not greater than the totality of the Persons or even any one of them. So Jesus being fully the one God is correct accordingly. There is a reason why nowhere in those texts that you falsely believe support your personal views does it say that any of the Persons of God are just a part of God. Did you see the word "part" or similar anywhere in those texts?

The Persons of God are wholly in one another (sexual puns, anyone?), and it clearly says so in the same Catechism I partly quoted. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are distinct as far as "personhood" goes but, in terms of substance, not only share the same nature, they are the same being (entity). Thus, my OP is accurate regarding the description of the Trinity, and the logical problems are inevitable. And you're going to have to deal with them sooner or later, if you wish to be open-minded and not shut your mind to potential truths based on logic and/or evidence.