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The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians
RE: The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians
(February 3, 2018 at 6:13 am)Grandizer Wrote:
(February 3, 2018 at 2:21 am)Godscreated Wrote: You were arguing God wasn't triune and that He was triune and I showed that God has always been triune in my post.

"God has always been triune" is what you assert without proof or demonstration, but seriously, what the fuck does this have to do with whether or not the Trinity is illogical? If I tell you that a "square circle" is illogical, do you respond by saying "well, the square circle has always been a square circle"?

It isn't what I assert I gave you proof from the Bible you just want to ignore it so you can continue with your failing argument. We are not discussing square circles because they do not exist and it's a silly thing to even suggest so get with the real thing here and stop trying to divert the conversation. We are discussing a subject that you brought up and you have to assume God is real for this argument or your points are worthless. You have never shown how God isn't triune and the only place you can go for that proof is the Bible, I brought my proof from the Bible. 

Quote:You posted it that way and you were arguing it that way, so the best I can tell is that you intentionally meant that each one is a separate God and that is not true, by nature being triune eliminates the possibility of each being a God.

Grandizer Wrote:On the contrary, when you're the one arguing that the Persons of God are separate from each other, then it is you who is arguing for three Gods.

You sure have a strange way of understanding what I said. I said God is the persons Father, Son and Holy Spirit. In your original post you stated that they were each a different God. Actually you posted originally many contradictions so you could argue any point opposite of the responding Christians, I've backed you up and forced you to settle on one prospective through your own words. You need to stop running around in circles and stand up to what you purpose the Bible says and stop telling me I state things I never stated or stated the opposite of what you claim I say. You might fool others into believing I said things I didn't because they want read all the posts between us, but I can assure you you can not fool me into believing anything other than what I know and know I said.

Quote:Yes and I would think that my previous post established that fact. You can't minimize God nor the three Persons who are God, He is the almighty and no matter what we say or do will minimize God in any way.

Grandizer Wrote:If you say that Jesus is just a part of God, then you are guilty of minimizing him in your conception.

Wrong, I hold Jesus as high as the rest of the Trinity, listen closely, God is the three persons of the Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The scriptures have shown them to be individual persons and all the same and only God. Each one is God necessarily because they are the triune God. What you claimed is that each was a different God by calling each one God. See that little word 'a' I put in bold, when you included that with each person you separated them into individual God's and that can't be because God says I Am the only God.

Quote:Separate - Each is an individual. Analogy, a sound system has a receiver, a amplifier, and speakers three parts combined into one system to make music. They are three divine individuals with the same nature and that is unchanging. I made this clear in my previous post. The truine God is inseparable by necessity meaning they are like minded and have the same nature yet they are three separate persons. If they were inseparable then the salvation of man kind as it is describe in the Bible would not have been possible. They are as I have said inseparable in nature and mind.

Grandizer Wrote:Your analogy would not be suitable for the doctrine of the Trinity. The Persons of God do not share the divinity of God among themselves. They are each God in its entirety. In your analogy, is the receiver the whole system? Is the amplifier the whole system? Are the speakers the whole system?

If you don't want to come off as a Tritheist, don't say Jesus is a part of God.

It was an analogy to show that the three Person's of God have different roles toward the same end, it shows they are all equal to each other, just as the sound systems three parts, if one part of the sound system doesn't operate as it should then there will be no music and with a sound system that is possible. That could never happen with God because the three Persons are like minded and have the same unchanging nature. You are correct that they do not share the divinity because they are all equally and fully divine.
A tri-theist haven't heard that one before and to be such would mean that I would believe as you stated that each of the trinity is a different God. Jesus is fully God and yet one part of the triune God with His on responsibilities, Jesus said this himself. What makes Jesus fully God is His like mindedness and same nature as the Father and Holy Spirit.

Quote:How is it that you can't understand who the Trinity is and what I believe the Trinity to be. I explained this very clearly and yet you think I was speaking of God as a family, when I stated that God is three persons in one with like mindedness and one true nature. They are one God not a family. A family is made up of any number of people of three or more and being human they would never be of the same nature nor like minded. This is why I said the family is to operate like the triune God, so there would always be order to the decision making process of the family.

Grandizer Wrote:If you believe that God is the set of all the Persons of God, and each Person of God is just an element of God, then yes, in this case, God refers just to the family of these divine beings (in your belief). If you don't like that, you're free to adjust your beliefs to match what the official texts on the Trinity say.

You know what you haven't done in this discussion, give the official text of the Trinity and the text I'm referring to is the Bible. I have backed up what I have stated with the Bible, something that should be done by both sides yet you haven't done so. A family is not made up of absolute like minded and of the same nature individuals, so you can forget trying to make it look like I said God was a family, like I said earlier in this post you can't and want fool me in what I have said, and I haven't said God was a family and have denied that God is a family. God is one because the three Persons are like minded and of the same unchanging nature. So you see I haven't tried nor do I need to adjust how I see the Trinity.  

Quote:I notice you completely ignored the Genesis reference where God does state He is of more than one person. You also ignored that when the word LORD is in all caps that the Trinity is being referred to, why?

Grandizer Wrote:Because it has shit all to do with my argument?

  Poor excuse, you ignore both because they prove you're wrong, people who are to stubborn to see they are wrong always ignore the truth. You never wanted help in understanding the Trinity, the only purpose for your post was to prove you knew more about God than the Christians who serve and know Him. You have failed completely, you refuse to use or accept the word from the Bible and that is the only place one can get the information about God unless God divinely gives a person teachings and answers from prayer. 

 GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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Messages In This Thread
The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians - by Grandizer - January 31, 2018 at 12:52 pm
RE: The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians - by Godscreated - February 4, 2018 at 4:53 am
RE: The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians - by Drich - February 7, 2018 at 10:33 am
RE: The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians - by Drich - February 7, 2018 at 5:57 pm
RE: The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians - by Drich - February 8, 2018 at 2:26 pm
RE: The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians - by Drich - February 9, 2018 at 10:09 am
RE: The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians - by Drich - February 9, 2018 at 10:36 am

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