RE: Western terrorism.
February 12, 2018 at 12:30 pm
(This post was last modified: February 12, 2018 at 12:55 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
@Aba. Islam is a religion, not a place, lol. Find me some time when magic book -wasn't- batshit superstition. Islamists were the authority from the outset, we wrongly credit the empire they ruled with the accomplishments of their conquered subjects who lived under oppression and enforced ignorance from the first invasion until the fall. Neither the abbasid nor the umayyad rode out of the desert equipped with math or science. They acquired them along the way, mostly from greek classics. This isn;t to say that their subjects didn't expand upon either, they did, but there was always a limit to what was or could be acceptable. Ultimately, it was the mongols who ended the islamic golden age when they sacked Baghdad in 1258. Not "The west" as our buddy Atlass here imagines. They never made it to western Europe. This is why Al Andalus was left holding the islamic bag, and how, from the 1200' the 1400's when the last bits of the caliphate were expelled from spain, those same greek classics were rediscovered and retranslated along with whatever new insight from any subject of the dead empire there was to be cleaned. Then, voila, the enlightenment.
It's one thing to acknowledge that the caliphate kept books when europe was burning them..it's another to imagine some other circumstance in which this happened, or forget that the "bastion" of learning within islam was a social class of conquered scribes who had to pay a tax, worse, or exclaim belief. Erudite learning was foreign to islam from the outset. It was tolerated due to the practical necessity of running a massive empire. As soon as the empire vanished, the need vanished, and so did all the erudite learning or any tolerance for it.
@Atlas "Hurr Durr The Great Satan Does All The Things!"
It's one thing to acknowledge that the caliphate kept books when europe was burning them..it's another to imagine some other circumstance in which this happened, or forget that the "bastion" of learning within islam was a social class of conquered scribes who had to pay a tax, worse, or exclaim belief. Erudite learning was foreign to islam from the outset. It was tolerated due to the practical necessity of running a massive empire. As soon as the empire vanished, the need vanished, and so did all the erudite learning or any tolerance for it.
@Atlas "Hurr Durr The Great Satan Does All The Things!"
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