[split] AF Hall of Shame, various discussion including Denmark & bible contradiction

[Amarok]

I disagree . Even if on paper you have a state sanctioned religion . If has no power or real everyday influence or simply cerimonial . Is voluntary and prevents the state from imposing it's religious tenets . And a large sawft of populous do not embrace said religion . The that secularism in all but name.

Even if I agree with all that, you said it yourself, "it's secular in all but name." Well, it's not named secular. Therefore, you can't call it secular. That's like saying a couple is married in practice, so they're married in all but name, so they're married. No, they're not married. What you're debating is the name–what it is called. If someone redefined the terms of the debate and said, let's argue about the practice of the people, not the term by which we call a nation with a state-sanctioned church, then this would be the debate to have.

A quick nudge of the goalpost changes much in these things. So fucking many debates I've had on this forum all boil down to two people not having the same conversation.

If they sleep with 1000 other people . The couple never sees each other . Never acknowledge their relationship. Burned their marriage certificate as just a piece of paper . And none of the legal obligation of marriage are ever imposed or demanded of them regardless of their actions  . It would indeed as far as i'm concerned it would be a marriage in name only . Same goes for Denmark's government in regards to its status as secular or not .

If on the other hand . They live together. Formally acknowledge their status as husband and wife . Made some form legally binding relationship contract by private or government means . Then yes they are indeed married. Same goes for Denmark's government it seems like it's gravitated to point were the church has no real practical power over the machinery of government . And the government has little hold over the religion institutions or religious beliefs of it's citizens .