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Vorlon's citation on mental health
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RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health
(February 23, 2018 at 1:01 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote:
(February 23, 2018 at 12:40 pm)Starman Wrote: "Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts." - Richard Feinman, quantum physicist

Sorry tl;dr... (I read like half of it). Do you want to have an honest conversation about the foundations of knowledge, buddy? I will participate if you cease all fiery accusations of vulgarity.

[WHY DON'T YOU TELL ALL YOUR PALS HERE TO CEASE THEIR FIERY ACCUSATIONS OF MY STUPIDITY?   WHY DON'T YOU TELL THE MOST VULGAR OF ALL TO DELETE HIS VULGAR HEADLINE, HMMM?  YOUR DOUBLE STANDARD IS OFFENSIVE AND UNINTELLIGENT.]

You and I actually agree: putting FAITH into science is a BAD IDEA. The good thing is, science doesn't work by faith. It works by DEMONSTRATION. It looks for PROOF!

[YOUR WORDS, NOT MINE.  SCIENTISTS IMPLICITLY UNDERSTAND THAT ONE MUST HAVE FAITH IN PHYSICAL LAWS AND CONSTANTS. ONE MUST HAVE FAITH IN RESEARCH METHODOLOGY AND OUR ABILITY TO LEARN AND BUILD.  HUMANITY WAS FORMED TUTORIALLY, SUCH THAT WE WERE ABLE FIRST TO LEARN ESSENTIALS AND GROW EXPONENTIALLY FROM THERE.  YOU THINK THAT ALL JUST "HAPPENED"?  I HAVE NEWS FOR YOU.]

Once you have proof... no faith is required.

["NOTHING IS KNOWN FOR CERTAIN EXCEPT IN PURE MATHEMATICS." - CARL SAGAN
ARGUE WITH HIS STUDENTS.  HE SAID THERE IS NO CONFLICT BETWEEN SCIENCE AND RELIGION.  ARGUE WITH CARL SAGAN'S STUDENTS.
IRONICALLY, SAGAN'S MEMORIAL SERVICE WAS HELD IN ST. JOHN THE DIVINE'S CATHEDRAL IN NEW YORK CITY.  SAGAN THE AGNOSTIC, WITH CHURCH SERVICES. PRECIOUS.  I CRITIQUED SEVERAL OF HIS BOOKS WHICH ARE REPLETE WITH ERROR AND MISINFORMATION.  HE REPLIED WITH A LETTER ASKING ME SIMPLY TO BUY HIS NEWEST BOOK.  I NEVER BOUGHT ANY OF THEM, BUT CHECKED THEM OUT AT THE LIBRARY. ONE EGREGIOUS EXAMPLE OF HIS NONSENSE:  "SEX WAS INVENTED."  YEAH, RIGHT.]

But how do you go about looking for proof? The first thing to do is admit that you don't know. You see, guys who come here claiming that THEY know more than cosmologists about the beginnings of the cosmos strike me as people who are unwilling to admit gaps in their knowledge.

[AND OF COURSE YOU ATHEISTS HAVE NO "GAPS" IN YOUR KNOWLEDGE, DO YOU.]

Scientists don't claim knowledge that they don't have. Religious fanatics do... but scientists don't. Scientists admit gaps in their knowledge. You might want to try it sometime.

[YOUR CONDESCENSION AND PRETENSION IS TERRIBLY MISPLACED.  WHY DON'T YOU TRY EXPLAINING TO ME THE INSUPERABLE STATISTICS OF ABIOGENESIS AND POLYPEPTIDE SYNTHESIS.  WAX ELOQUENT ON CHIRALITY, PLEASE.  HOW MANY AMINO ACIDS WERE INCORPORATED IN THE FIRST SYNTHESIS OF HUMAN HEMOGLOBIN?  WHAT ARE THE TWO CHAINS?  WHY IS HEMOGLOBIN SAID TO "BREATHE"?
WHY DOES IT VIOLATE LECHATELIER'S PRINCIPLE?  TRY IT RIGHT NOW.]

I don't think you understand the essence of Feinman's quote. You don't understand that the first step in genuine inquiry is admitting you don't know.

[ALL OF US ARE SMARTER THAN ANY OF US. ADMIT THAT YOU REJECT THAT INALIENABLE FACT. YOU CAN'T.  THEN PROCEED WITH YOUR BRILLIANT DISCOURSE ON BIOCHEMISTRY. I'M EAGER TO READ IT.]
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Vorlon's citation on mental health - by Starman - February 22, 2018 at 11:34 pm
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by LadyForCamus - February 22, 2018 at 11:45 pm
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by Starman - February 22, 2018 at 11:50 pm
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by Amarok - February 22, 2018 at 11:58 pm
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by Grandizer - February 23, 2018 at 12:04 am
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by Starman - February 23, 2018 at 11:25 am
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by Tobie - February 23, 2018 at 11:27 am
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by vulcanlogician - February 23, 2018 at 11:31 am
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by brewer - February 23, 2018 at 1:27 pm
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by Anomalocaris - February 23, 2018 at 12:25 am
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by LadyForCamus - February 22, 2018 at 11:52 pm
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by Minimalist - February 23, 2018 at 12:12 am
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by Fireball - February 23, 2018 at 12:40 am
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by LadyForCamus - February 23, 2018 at 12:00 am
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by Starman - February 23, 2018 at 12:03 am
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by LadyForCamus - February 23, 2018 at 12:06 am
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by Grandizer - February 23, 2018 at 12:12 am
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by Joods - February 23, 2018 at 12:17 am
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by Silver - February 23, 2018 at 12:05 am
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by Amarok - February 23, 2018 at 12:09 am
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by shadow - February 24, 2018 at 12:06 pm
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by vulcanlogician - February 24, 2018 at 2:51 pm
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by shadow - February 24, 2018 at 3:59 pm
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by vulcanlogician - February 24, 2018 at 6:28 pm
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by shadow - February 24, 2018 at 7:14 pm
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by vulcanlogician - February 24, 2018 at 7:27 pm
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by The Valkyrie - February 23, 2018 at 12:12 am
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by Whateverist - February 23, 2018 at 11:31 am
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by Amarok - February 23, 2018 at 12:56 am
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by chimp3 - February 23, 2018 at 12:58 am
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by CapnAwesome - February 23, 2018 at 1:03 am
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by Amarok - February 23, 2018 at 1:06 am
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by Whateverist - February 23, 2018 at 11:34 am
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by CapnAwesome - February 23, 2018 at 3:07 pm
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by CapnAwesome - February 23, 2018 at 1:10 am
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by Amarok - February 23, 2018 at 1:18 am
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by Starman - February 23, 2018 at 11:37 am
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by Whateverist - February 23, 2018 at 11:40 am
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by Homeless Nutter - February 23, 2018 at 11:49 am
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by Whateverist - February 23, 2018 at 11:53 am
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by Starman - February 23, 2018 at 12:40 pm
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by vulcanlogician - February 23, 2018 at 1:01 pm
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by Starman - February 23, 2018 at 1:23 pm
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by vulcanlogician - February 23, 2018 at 1:36 pm
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by Whateverist - February 23, 2018 at 1:41 pm
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by Starman - February 23, 2018 at 1:52 pm
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by brewer - February 23, 2018 at 2:21 pm
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by Whateverist - February 23, 2018 at 1:08 pm
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by mlmooney89 - February 23, 2018 at 1:41 pm
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by vulcanlogician - February 23, 2018 at 1:54 pm
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by Starman - February 23, 2018 at 2:06 pm
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by vulcanlogician - February 23, 2018 at 2:14 pm
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by Amarok - February 23, 2018 at 2:31 pm
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by Starman - February 23, 2018 at 2:03 pm
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by vulcanlogician - February 23, 2018 at 2:03 pm
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by Whateverist - February 23, 2018 at 2:15 pm
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by purplepurpose - February 23, 2018 at 3:48 pm
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by Amarok - February 23, 2018 at 8:13 pm
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by Fireball - February 23, 2018 at 9:53 pm
RE: Vorlon's citation on mental health - by Amarok - February 24, 2018 at 12:48 am

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