(March 1, 2018 at 3:20 pm)stretch3172 Wrote:There is simply no reason to believe in something until it can be shown to exist.(March 1, 2018 at 12:59 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Most don't assume there is no god, we just go with what the evidence tells us.
Since nothing supernatural has ever been proven to exist then anything that requires the supernatural to be a thing is a t best unproven but more likely complete hogwash.
That's a fair point. But consider this: our five senses are obviously quite limited compared to those of other animals. Similarly, all quantitative, empirical measurements must be based on a limited number of significant figures because our scientific instruments are only accurate to a certain mathematical degree. There's no problem with going in favor of evidence, but our "evidence" is based on our extremely limited means of perceiving reality. To believe in spiritual reality is simply to believe that something exists that transcends our ability to perceive it by natural means. Sure, that's not a proof in itself, but you could argue that it's likely.
Dark energy is something that explains observations but has never been proven to exist. The observations that it explains may in fact have other causes that we don't know of and our view of the universe will adjust if that happens.
The gods people believe in have the opposite affect on people any fact that contradicts the existence goes through several phases for the theist, initially they deny/oppose it, then they try to twist its meaning, they change the facts to match their beliefs they do not change their beliefs to match the facts.
So is a god likely. No.
You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.
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