(March 3, 2018 at 10:03 pm)Brian37 Wrote:(March 3, 2018 at 6:56 pm)Little Rik Wrote: I have seen religious people time and time again that tried to scare atheists with the hell story so they would become believers and right now you may well be one of them.
If you are you are doing a terrible disservice to God but suppose you are honest in your belief.
Even in this case you fail badly because God can not possibly create something that at the end will be discarded in the rubbish such as a hell.
There can not be a hell because God being perfect can not create something imperfect so please stop dreaming about something that doesn't exist.
Corrupted priests invented the hell for their own selfish reasons.
Nothing to do with God.
Bullshit Rik.
First off, he is only a character, not a real being.
But to sit there and try to water down the interpretations of antiquity which are nothing like the interpretations today, is absurd.
BACK THEN, 2,000 years ago, 3,000 years ago the buyers of BOTH the Hebrews and Christians lived under rival authoritarian ruling families. Even prior polytheists did. BACK THEN religion was taken far more literally than today. BACK THEN, if you did not obey your local ruling family, if you were lucky, you got kicked out of the city. Most of the time however, if you raised a peep, and you were not part of the warrior class or ruling family, you were executed.
I cannot get past the stories in either the OT or the NT and call that book moral.
Your allegedly "all loving God" in the OT tells his followers they can take the captured in war as bounty, meaning slaves and concubines, or simply kill them. He murders the Egyptian firstborn males over a beef he has with an adult. Tell me what a toddler could have done in such a short life to deserve death over something they had no comprehension of because of something an adult king did?
Would you find it moral, if I was a judge in a modern court today, and a jury convicted a bank robber or rapist, but I simply didn't punish them, I had his kids murdered on top of that, even though they were too young and not even involved in the adult crime? Then there is the fictional flood story. Are you going to tell me which had to be millions if not billions of BABIES and toddlers deserved to drowned and choke to death over a beef, again, that he had with adults?
In other mammals we also see this rivalry and unfortunate cruelty. Male Zebras and male Lions and even Arctic wolves will hunt and seek out any offspring that are not that of the Alpha male and kill it.
Our human species has only evolved with a more complex language, and as such, can and has over time, learned to turn away from our evolutionary instincts. The reason those vile stories exist isn't that Ra or Allah or Vishnu exist. The reason those stories exist, the stories of conquest and power, were because most humans in every religion chalked up their success to their local rulers.
Even the ancient polytheists of Rome and Greece, held very little empathy for those they defeated in battle.
"Hell" does not exist, anymore than you buy the Japanese version of their superstitions of being punished in their "underworld".
Humans evolved to be social, and unfortunately, even with that we also evolved to be violent. But neither are a result of a cosmic super hero vs a ground villain.
No heaven, no hell needed to explain reality.
Confusion, confusion and more confusion Brian.
You wouldn't know why innocent looking little babies die in a violent way.
I also do not know.
At the same time I know that mass killers can not possibly pay their debt in one life time so it make sense that they will have to reborn again and again for paying their debt.
The karma law act like a bank.
Until you pay back your debt with them they will be after you even if you escape on the moon.
By the way what all your whining has to do with whether the hell exist or not only Santa knows.
