(March 4, 2018 at 9:18 am)Little Rik Wrote:(March 3, 2018 at 10:03 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Bullshit Rik.
First off, he is only a character, not a real being.
But to sit there and try to water down the interpretations of antiquity which are nothing like the interpretations today, is absurd.
BACK THEN, 2,000 years ago, 3,000 years ago the buyers of BOTH the Hebrews and Christians lived under rival authoritarian ruling families. Even prior polytheists did. BACK THEN religion was taken far more literally than today. BACK THEN, if you did not obey your local ruling family, if you were lucky, you got kicked out of the city. Most of the time however, if you raised a peep, and you were not part of the warrior class or ruling family, you were executed.
I cannot get past the stories in either the OT or the NT and call that book moral.
Your allegedly "all loving God" in the OT tells his followers they can take the captured in war as bounty, meaning slaves and concubines, or simply kill them. He murders the Egyptian firstborn males over a beef he has with an adult. Tell me what a toddler could have done in such a short life to deserve death over something they had no comprehension of because of something an adult king did?
Would you find it moral, if I was a judge in a modern court today, and a jury convicted a bank robber or rapist, but I simply didn't punish them, I had his kids murdered on top of that, even though they were too young and not even involved in the adult crime? Then there is the fictional flood story. Are you going to tell me which had to be millions if not billions of BABIES and toddlers deserved to drowned and choke to death over a beef, again, that he had with adults?
In other mammals we also see this rivalry and unfortunate cruelty. Male Zebras and male Lions and even Arctic wolves will hunt and seek out any offspring that are not that of the Alpha male and kill it.
Our human species has only evolved with a more complex language, and as such, can and has over time, learned to turn away from our evolutionary instincts. The reason those vile stories exist isn't that Ra or Allah or Vishnu exist. The reason those stories exist, the stories of conquest and power, were because most humans in every religion chalked up their success to their local rulers.
Even the ancient polytheists of Rome and Greece, held very little empathy for those they defeated in battle.
"Hell" does not exist, anymore than you buy the Japanese version of their superstitions of being punished in their "underworld".
Humans evolved to be social, and unfortunately, even with that we also evolved to be violent. But neither are a result of a cosmic super hero vs a ground villain.
No heaven, no hell needed to explain reality.
Confusion, confusion and more confusion Brian.
You wouldn't know why innocent looking little babies die in a violent way.
I also do not know.
At the same time I know that mass killers can not possibly pay their debt in one life time so it make sense that they will have to reborn again and again for paying their debt.
The karma law act like a bank.
Until you pay back your debt with them they will be after you even if you escape on the moon.
By the way what all your whining has to do with whether the hell exist or not only Santa knows.
Yes I do know why innocent babies die in a violent way. Bad shit happens. It isn't that compassionate humans want it to happen, we don't. But it happens, just like one day you might slip in your bathtub and split your scull, or go hiking and slip and fall down a cliff, or you reach for your cell phone while driving and get smashed by an 18 wheeler.
Bad happening does not make that bad some product of a Sky Wizard punishing you, or a ground villain. Why are you so desperate to have life be some comic book super hero movie?
My debt? Holy crap dude, so life is an ATM machine and all off us are borrowers? Your metaphors are nonsense. I know you are trying to make life grand with your words, but you sound as romantic with your religion as Mystic tries with his.
Reality isn't some grade school or High school play where the jock gets the cheerleader 100% of the time.
If you want bad shit to be reduced in life, stop trying to make garbage mythology the gap answer as to why.
If it is a crime, study behavior.
If it is a disease, study medicine.
If it is war, study diplomacy.
If is nature, study evolution, geology, meteorology, astrophysics.
We do not need Jesus, or Allah or Yahweh or Buddha or Brahma to understand why either good or bad happen in life.
