(May 15, 2009 at 2:52 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:athoughtfulman Wrote:Sure is essential. A Christ-ian is a follower of Christ. If Jesus didn't live, then he's not god.
Like I said, because your description doesn't apply to all Christians, then it's false.
Excuse me but TBH I do not understand how that makes sense fr0d0. Thoughtful is saying that Christians are Christians by definition only if they follow and believe in CHRIST that's why they're Christ-Ian...
You then say that that can't be the case because you know Christians that that doesn't apply to...
But what thoughtful is saying if that doesn't apply to them then they're not Christian! If you don't follow Christ and don't believe in Christ how can you be CHRIST-ian? I don't see how you can get out of that by simply saying "Well some Christians aren't like that" WTF? How are they Christian if they aren't like that though? Surely they're not by DEFINITION if they don't believe in OR follow Christ?
I mean....if ANYONE who claims they're Christian REGARDLESS of whether they actually believe in or follow Christ or not....then I could say I was a Christian and BE one! Even though I don't believe in Christ or follow Christ and I'm an atheist! The definition loses all substance!
How can you get out of the fact that Christians can't be CHRIST-ian unless they believe in/follow Christ....by simply saying "Some Christians aren't like that!", "Doesn't apply to all Christians." Wtf?!?!?
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