Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic

[I_am_not_mafia]

No you did not. You gave no example of an intelligence that is not subject to the law of thermodynamics.

I am still waiting for an example. You know, an example that actually exists in reality.

1. Since all of our observations are within the universe and everything in the universe is subject the its laws (including thermodynamics), your statement is logically the same as: "all observations of intelligence are within the universe". Stop there. Do you understand that? 

Glad you said that. Nothing else needs to be said.

You cannot give an example of intelligence that is not subject to the law of thermodynamics.

But to be fair to you, I was originally using this as an argument as to why your god cannot exist so I will address the next point

2. Since God, if he exists or not, by definition, is not made up of stuff in the universe, he is not subject to the laws of physics.

This actually ties in with my second argument about why gods cannot exist. Because there cannot be an unambiguous definition of what a god is. If you try coming up with one then you have something that is not a god. An alien for example. But the relevance here is that you cannot say that a god is by definition not made up of stuff in the universe and not subject to the laws of physics ... because there is no single definition of a what a god is.

But getting back to why intelligence is important, I'll refer back to my earlier post:

It only seems nonsense to you because you do not understand the nature of intelligence. How can your god exist or think without being constrained by the laws of Thermodynamics?

This is because intelligence is a form of self-organisation and self-organisation happens because of the laws of thermodynamics. I know intelligence probably seems all magical to you, but it really isn't. Hence my analogy in another thread of the difficulty of convincing mechanics that my car is telepathic. The same laws that make a ball roll down a slope and come to a stop, are the same laws that allow crystals to form, that allow weather patterns to play out, planets and solar systems to form and the same laws that allow intelligence to take place.

So you have spent many pages arguing that your god is not subject to the laws of thermodynamics and at the same time have been unwittingly without knowing it arguing for me to accept something that means that your god cannot be intelligent.

It really is like arguing that although all real-world vehicles have to move to be considered a vehicle, your god-mobile doesn't need to move because it's a supernatural vehicle. But without acknowledging that if true, it would no longer be a god-vehicle but a god-container

In the same way that a vehicle needs to move something to be considered a vehicle, intelligence needs to settle into stable configurations. The function of intelligence is inherently tied to thermodynamics. And by intelligence I am talking about strong, generalisable intelligence. It needs to be embodied in an environment, it needs to be active but not to the point of being chaotic.

I think therefore I am constrained by the laws of thermodynamics.

Now if you are willing to drop the requirement for your god to be eternal and accept that it must subject to the laws of thermodynamics, then you can have a thinking god. But the consequence of this is that it's only a god until we come up with a better definition for whatever the alien is.