(March 12, 2018 at 1:00 pm)Lek Wrote:Haven't followed your conversation, but...(March 12, 2018 at 12:35 pm)Khemikal Wrote: You keep saying "we" forgetting that your "we" is not their "we" or even our "we". "We" have no interest in border walls or ICE rounding up grannies and separating parents from children in detention facilities under the guise of going after "bad hombres". The apprehension of "bad hombres" has fallen off a cliff while ICE has more than doubled the number of people without any record getting rounded up at their places of employment or..worse, as they continue following immigration law specific to their situation and get denied stays or extensions. It's almost as if nobody wants to talk to ICE anymore..........
I was responding specifically about california, that hasn;t expressed interest in any "open border" and has and continues to enforce immigration laws. They're just not willing to spend their time and resources, again, on the feds specific agenda in that regard. They don't seek to stand in the way, and they aren't going to help, mostly because it doesn't work, hurts law enforcement, hurts the economy..and is fundamentally fucking bigoted, lol. Clear that up for you?
As far as finding somebody who wants open borders..well..I can be that guy. There would still be laws and enforcement of laws, so it makes little sense to ask a person who advocates for open borders what the point of immigration law would be if we didn't enforce it. An open border is a solution to some of the problems facing immigration law and border control. It would help us to enforce those laws. There would be no need for the average juan to engage the services of a human trafficker..and we;d spend less time chasing migrants in the desert (or the phantoms of migrants at the statehouse)..freeing up those resources to chase -actual- "bad hombres"...who would be the only people with any reason to go skulking around.
Does that clear anything up for you?
Well, for one thing, I don't agree that California enforces immigration law since, as a "sanctuary state" it protects those who break these laws, even convicted criminals. Second, you're welcome to your opinion, but it's a bad one. No country can survive as a nation without control of it's borders. Canada already found that out and discontinued allowing US citizens to cross their border without a passport. Atheists are big on facing reality. This is reality.
You say 'no country can survive as a nation without control of its borders'. What about Europe? You usually don't need to show a passport at border crossings.
Also, its not hard to cross from Canada to the States without a passport, lol. Just walk or take a boat across anywhere but an official crossing and no one gives a crap. I've done myself.
