RE: God is completely inadequate to explain anything whatsoever
March 12, 2018 at 2:05 pm
(This post was last modified: March 12, 2018 at 2:09 pm by Whateverist.)
(March 12, 2018 at 10:58 am)Drich Wrote: The irony...
You do understand that science in it's completely understanding of the literal macro verse (the cosmos/universe/dimensonal theory) none of it jives or rather the same rules in the macro-verse do not apply in the micro verse. Meaning the rules governing the physics of planetary alignment and even the big bang are completely wrong when applied to micro bodies and phenoma. in otherwords the laws and throeys governing the big stuff, does not work when descrbing stuff on a micro level.
Now given 'science' in ability to reconcile change on it's very own macro level in relation to event changes on a micro level I ask you the same question. Why turn to science when looking for the solution for the "hard problem?"
No one understands everything by way of science, but what we do know about the earth and life we owe to science. No one understands anything about the earth or life who relies on the bible or a/s/k'ing. People can very well decide what matters to them without consulting science, but then how one feels about things is not what the hard problem is about.
Science obviously is appropriate to understanding consciousness because no consciousness has ever been encountered outside of a living being, and out of all the live, conscious beings on this planet only we seem to be able to talk about what we experience. So examining the living bodies of human beings using all the tools available to science is very promising though far from a trivial task. Most of what is known about the brain's role in consciousness have come from examining injuries to the brain and the effects on behavior/experience of those individuals. If you're interested there is a lot of research available.
(March 12, 2018 at 10:58 am)Drich Wrote:(March 8, 2018 at 5:34 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Consciousness has the reputation of being the "hard problem", but compared to Christian god theory it is simple. Leastwise the way forward to an adequate theory is not problematic. Neuroscience will simply continue to unravel the brains complexity until something satisfying emerges.So science will keep guessing and at some point in eternity future you faith tells you science will get it right.
Riddle me this. how is faith in that science will at some point find it's way, but the Same faith in God is pointless?
Nope, science isn't in the business of guessing. While I do rely on faith in a great deal of personal matters, I have none at all in science. I merely recognize science for the splendid tool it is as witnessed by its many achievements, as well by understanding how it works. I suppose you're suggesting that hypotheses formed for the purpose of testing are 'guesses' or else that the theories formed on the basis of all the results of those tests are 'guesses'. If so, you are being willfully ignorant and there is no point in wasting my time with you.
(March 12, 2018 at 10:58 am)Drich Wrote:(March 8, 2018 at 5:34 pm)Whateverist Wrote: No pathway toward an adequate God theory seems possible where its advocates start out assuming the ways of God are beyond their powers.Glob..
Just because in the beginning God's ways are beyond your ways why oh why would you assume that you would never be able to understand anything more than what you do now? Oh. that's right because 'science' feigns absolute knowledge right now. (meaning until the next throey comes along)
Science does not feign absolute knowledge and if you insist on saying this kind of nonsense there is no point in discussing anything with you. Science is supreme where testable knowledge is concerned. The hard problem of consciousness has already shown itself amenable to incremental progress by way of applying the scientific method. By contrast, faith in God will never yield any progress toward solving that problem because religion, unlike science, is not relevant to it.
(March 12, 2018 at 10:58 am)Drich Wrote:(March 8, 2018 at 5:34 pm)Whateverist Wrote: In place of theory, Christians just advocate compliance with the organizing principles of religion.Certain sects may do this, but in general we have been called/required to learn as much as we can about God. we do this by A/S/K. Petitioning the Holy SPirit for knowledge and wisdom, we seek for answers and truth in the bible and we repeat this till God grants us what we want.
I accept that you have found this method relevant to you for clarifying your values and personal belief. I recognize reflection has a useful method for such things, and even in science inspiration sometimes plays a roll by granting insight into possibilities which can then be tested. James Watson is said to have stumbled upon the double helix form of DNA by dreaming of a spiral staircase which let to he and Crick receiving Nobel prizes. But if they had not connected the dream to the structure of DNA and found ways to confirm it by testing, it would not be accepted now.
(March 12, 2018 at 10:58 am)Drich Wrote:(March 8, 2018 at 5:34 pm)Whateverist Wrote: But then the ends of religion never were to explain origins or morality or the supernatural. The ends of religion have always been appeasement.Religion may not explain these thing but the bible does indeed go into depth.
The bible is a rambling conglomeration of a great many things which has never been of any interest to me. But if you think there are answers to important empirical questions to be found there, do not expect to gain any credit for the discovery unless and until you are able to confirm those answers by testing them, and reconciling them to what else is known in whatever field of study they might belong.