Quick YEC Debunks

[John V]

Afraid of hell for not believing, actually. 

No, not at all. Read James.

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My bad.  I thought you were answering my question about biblical support for reading the bible literally which immediately preceded your post.

Yes, that's why I clarified. Not sure why you have a problem with that.

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Alpha, have you considered being a Christian who isn't a YEC?

Better than that - I was a Christian who wasn't a YEC when I started.

1) The 6,000 year-old universe is not central to Christianity. This model is pushed by people who want to see their iteration of Christianity have power in America.

Don't know whether to laugh or cry over that one. Get a grip dude.

2) A literal interpretation of Genesis contradicts itself: the day by day ordering of creation is different in Genesis 1 and Genesis 2. Since the 6,000 year old model relies on a literal interpretation of the book, this model is wrong right out of the gate because a literal interpretation contradicts itself.

Accounts from two different points of view can seem contradictory, but reconcile when considered more carefully.

3) You could even take Genesis literally if you take into account what is written elsewhere in the Bible: Psalm 90 (written by Moses) says: "A thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by" (Psalm 90:4). Taking into account that one of God's days is an indeterminate amount of time, maybe Genesis spoke of things in terms of God's days. Also, some suggest that there is an indeterminate amount of time between Genesis 1:1 and the rest of the days of creation (perhaps 13 billion years?).

Ah, so in your view a thousand years literally means an indeterminate amount of time.

See the points I made to RR re: very good and sin entering into the world. Christianity really doesn't fit with evolution. I've done the whole tohu bohu analysis in the past but I don't think it works.

4) Christians often say that the essential part of Christianity is accepting Christ as one's savior.

Yep, that's why you don't see me and RR condemning each other on this point.

Then once you have done that, I read that Jesus gives a bunch of commandments about being a righteous person (ie treating others, including the outcast and downtrodden, with respect and dignity, enduring hardships with faith, not judging others, and forgiving them their tresspasses. It doesn't say anything about resisting discoveries in science. That seems to be something Christians do when they are interested in worldly power.

More of the power stuff? You're bat-shit crazy.

I want to reiterate. Being a YEC has nothing to do with being a Christian.

Like I care what an atheist says about Christianity.  

Why don't you consider looking in to the science yourself? A bunch of atheists could sit here and tell you you're wrong, and you would feel like promoting YEC-ism is defending Christianity. But it's not. Look into the science yourself, man. Please.

I have to the extent that I can understand it, and I can understand it better than most people. Back in the day I took 3 semesters of college calc and differential equations, and 3 semesters of physics. I've been debating this stuff, and researching as much as is possible on the internet, for 20 years. Sorry, but models that needs to invent 95% stuff we can't see...universe that exists in a singularity but then inflates because???...inanimate matter coming to life...these don't impress me. If the oscillating universe bit had worked out you'd be in a better position, but it didn't.

By the way, your argument that you are doing okay in your life, therefore there is no reason to change your views is invalid. If a flat earther is living a good, comfortable life, does that mean the earth is flat? No. You could be wrong no matter how well or terribly your life is going. Get real.

Sure, I could be wrong, but...so what? If you need to feel that you're right about everything ion order to be happy, you've got a problem. Chill out.