Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic

[Nay_Sayer]

It is always matter and the flow of energy through it changing the configuration of the matter.

Matter with no energy does nothing.

Energy with no matter does not retain any persistent shape.

The cause of Leo Tolstoy’s Anna Karenina or Beethoven’s Fifth Symphony was not only the matter that made up their brain but the firing of their neurons.

But also their environment and history.

There was never a single cause. It's simplistic theistic thinking to suggest otherwise.

All efficient causes. Of course something material can be an efficient cause!! It is not a material cause because it is made of material!!!!!!!!!

AND then there is the fact that the novel and the symphony are not material in any way. So, we have efficient causes having an effect that is not immaterial (not consisting of matter OR energy). Kind of blows up the whole "it's always matter and the flow of energy" argument.

Here Here. I remember the last immaterial novel I read, Wrinkle in time.  Granted it was hard what with having no pages are binding but I got through it and stand here as testament.

Fun Fact: Energy is solid, Like butter but fizzier.

I just was Science would break free from its cruel sin-loving masters and start publishing fact.