RE: The Rights disdain of Hillary, where does it come from?
March 17, 2018 at 11:08 am
(This post was last modified: March 17, 2018 at 11:10 am by GrandizerII.)
(March 17, 2018 at 9:36 am)Chad32 Wrote: Because I was paying enough attention in 2016 to know that statement makes no sense. Their policies weren't close. Bernie was far less known, yet exploded in popularity, while Hillary barely managed to win a rigged election. The best you could say is Bernie managed to drag her towards the left.
And I also paid enough attention in 2016 to see how much your bias here is speaking. Hillary was pretty close to Bernie Sanders in terms of heaps of policies that the modern Republican politicians themselves do not generally espouse, such as policies to do with immigration, women's health, health care access, gun control, and even campaign finance. Just because they didn't see eye to eye on everything, and just because she isn't good at presenting herself as the people's leader, doesn't mean she was a Republican in disguise. She was overall on the left, it's just that Bernie was even farther to the left of the political spectrum on some of the political issues. And while he may have dragged her a little closer to his side, she has pretty much been on the left side of the spectrum from before 2016.
It's also a stretch to say that she barely won the primary election. She won, fair and square, and she would've most probably still won, even if there were no superdelegates.
(March 17, 2018 at 9:38 am)wallym Wrote:(March 16, 2018 at 11:43 pm)Grandizer Wrote: You argue that she wasn't close to Bernie Sanders in terms of policies, and yet you did nothing but rant about how much of a failure/disappointment she is in your eyes. You didn't actually refute what I said.
She was a corporate globalist hawk. He was a populist and isolationist-y.
Still closer to Bernie than to the Republicans.
Quote:She feigned some Bernie positions after he posed a threat, but I think most people wrote it off as politically calculated.
Debatable, but I'm happy to grant that a few positions were adjusted by her because of Bernie's "threat". Still doesn't refute my argument. See previous reply.