Arguments for God Fail Specific Religions

[athoughtfulman]

Frodo, even if I accept your definition of Christianity (which I don't), you are still the exception.

I'm going to mix your quotes up a bit and not start with the first thing you said. Here we go.

The Bible for me is 100% true also. Truth isn't a democracy.

Ok, so you believe the bible to be 100% true. Obviously, you will come back at this with an interpretive stance, so I will quote the bible.

I find your understanding of Christianity naive.

After spending 18 years in a conservative baptist church, I am perhaps better informed then you are when it comes to mainstream Christianity. I say mainstream because I'm not referring to whatever you call whatever you believe in (it's definitely not mainstream).

Here's some verses from the bible which is 100% true to you. I will quote the NT to you about why Jesus had to live and why he had to die.

Romans 3:23 - "This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement,[i] through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished"
Romans 6:23 - 23For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in[a] Christ Jesus our Lord.

So righteous comes through faith in Jesus Christ. All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God and can only be justified by the redemption that came by Jesus. The redemption that came by Jesus? See verse 25 - God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, because ha had left the sins previously unpunished. Now, regardless of what you believe Frodo, this is what almost all evangelical, conservative Christians believe. I'll say it again just in case you missed it.

1. Righteousness comes from god through faith in Jesus.
2. For all have sinned and for short of the glory of god.
3. The wages of sin is death.
4. Therefore we need to be redeemed and justified, which can only come through Jesus Christ.
5. Jesus Christ redemption comes through his sacrifice (death) since the wages of sin is death. (the cross).

Frodo, if you don't believe in Jesus or believe that he existed and died and rose, you are not a christian. At the very least you are not righteous, since the bible you 100% believe in, says that righteousness only comes through faith in Jesus. How can you have faith in someone if you don't believe in them?

Here's some more interesting verses.

1 Tim. 2:5, "For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."
Gal. 4:5-6, "But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law, 5in order that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons."
2 Cor. 5:21, "He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him."
1 Peter 2:24, "and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed."
Rom. 8:3-4, "For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh. 4in order that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit."

Like I said, because your description doesn't apply to all Christians, then it's false.

My description applies to all who believe in the above.

No. That's OT in the first place, which makes it correct for Islam and Judaism. It's also true for most religions.

See the New Testament verses above. The doctrine of sin is throughout the bible, in both the NT and the OT. To ignore it is to ignore a very large part of the book you 100% believe in.

Well that would mean that Judaism isn't a religion, so your conclusion is incorrect. We're in faith territory here. The empirical realm doesn't apply.

See the verses above. Jesus had to die.

It isn't

If it isn't, then Jesus did actually die and rise, unless you somehow think the NT is based on metaphor. And if metaphor, why is your interpretation the correct one?

The assumptions aren't contradictions. The 6000 year old claim is spurious to say the least.

You missed what I said. The assumptions aren't damaging to it's integrity, they are simply very large claims. So if it were shown in any way to be false, then it would be heavily damaged and discredited. Forget the 6000 year old claim - you know what I mean.

Like I said, I grew up going to a baptist church for 18 years, was poised to go to bible college, preached a couple of sermons, read a lot of theological books and have a very good understanding of the basics of Christianity, and various theological issues. I repeat, the above is mainstream Christianity. If you interpret the verses above differently, I'm no longer referring to you. However I would like to know how you can believe what you believe when you have the verses above, from the NT to deal with.