(March 24, 2018 at 10:46 pm)wallym Wrote:(March 24, 2018 at 10:07 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: That's fine... but you need more than a rally. You need thought out and logical solutions.
What are you proposing, and what difference do you see coming from it?
It's why the NRA always wins. Because the NRA simpletons want to have guns. And what does the NRA brass do? Makes sure the simpletons can have guns. That place is running on rails. Even when the NRA simpletons are like "Hey, maybe we should make a couple concessions." NRA brass knows better, and shuts that shit down, and doesn't give an inch.
They don't have more people than the opposition. They don't have more money than the opposition. They don't have the popularity of the opposition. They don't have the media love of the opposition.
So why do they always win? At some point, somebody is going to say "hmm, maybe the people steering the ship filled with us dullards isn't actually acting on our behalf!?" Because that's the difference. The NRA leadership wants to keep guns for all their members. And the opposition leadership wants to get money and votes. The majority of people in positions of power representing the marchers just don't care about the substance of the march. It's just a tool to be used for their own purposes.
You can almost hear a Frank Underwood monologue as the video of the marches is playing.
A few weeks ago on the Eric Metaxes podcast, they where talking about how the gun lobby has learned from the pro-abortion lobby a stance of zero negotiation. And the problem is that it does work. Just shut down any conversation or discussion.
I'm all for discussion. I do think there is a problem (all though the root of that problem is not the weapon chosen). I also think, that we one needs to be realistic. Which is why I ask what one is proposing, and what they think it will accomplish. And I don't think that spouting propagandist nonsense is helpful. When someone proposing one thing, and then starts using numbers from something else; my spidey sense starts tingling! Personally, I think a case can be made against bump stocks, and possibly large clips. I also think that registration is good, so that if someone is deemed mentally unfit, that their weapons should be removed from their possession. However I can see the other side and why people like Brian may make others nervous that it could be abused. You could make harsher fines and penalties for those who bypass the system or are irresponsible with their weapons.
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther