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Atheism is impossible, I don't see how life can be created naturalistically.
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RE: Atheism is impossible, I don't see how life can be created naturalistically.
(September 2, 2011 at 11:22 am)Diamond-Deist Wrote: Oh dear I know I said I wouldn't post again but I couldn't resist

Tongue It happens, welcome back.

Quote:A) How an inaminate cell formed by globs of chemical and elemental matter decided to one day become animate join together like a transformer and decide it was going to conquer the world?

You are aware that's a bit of a straw man right?

For starters, cell's aren't inanimate. An inanimate object is essentially one that displays no sign of life since since cells are living they aren't inanimate. Technical difference I know but it pays to be precise.

Secondly, nothing decided to become animate, the process of inanimate objects coalescing into a state we refer to as 'life' is a function of chemical evolution, the specifics of the process known as abiogenesis aren't very well understood but we do know that many of the necessary constituents can arise from natural chemical processes. I suggest you do some reading on the subject as it's far from my area of interest, I'm more into physics and philosophy so I can't offer you any kind of comprehensive description of the subject.

Thirdly, you seem to be presuming that there is some 'goal' to all of this, to "conquer the world", that is not the case. If you try and approach any field of naturalistic enquiry looking for intent, as you presume to be a feature of the world from a deistic/theistic perspective, you are never going to fully grasp what it is we believe to be true about reality.

Quote:B) How do you explain the information contained in DNA? information by definition would need an inteligence behind its conception?

You really need to look up what 'information' means in regard to a physical system... It's not a phrase or a meaningful sequence - something that was designed for a purpose, just a difference, for instance the 'spin' of an electron is a 'bit' of information, as is the wavelength of a photon or electrical charge of a particle. The "information content" of a physical system is simply a measure of how many 'bits' are needed to fully describe the system, making a distinction between each component state that the constituents of the system can be in. Adding information to a system, whether the information content of a star or the sequence of a genome simply means that there was some net increase in the complexity of the system.

Here's something to start you off: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_information

And something more meaty; http://arxiv.org/abs/0708.2837

Quote:Maybe you have answered these before I don't know so why don't you humour me, I'd be interested to see the explaination?

I've offered you about as good of an explanation of abiogenesis as I'd be willing to attempt but if you're interested in discussing information theory and physics we can go into more detail.

All that aside there is a more fundamental issue here, that is the argument from incredulity that you are on the verge of committing. Presuming we could give you no explanation of either, or if you found our explanations lacking, you would invariably use this to conclude that there must be or this increases the probability of a deity, correct? If so you would be committing the logical fallacy known as the argument from personal incredulity - As you should already know the conclusions of fallacious arguments, while not necessarily false, are indefensible with any consideration for intellectual honesty, thus if you want to consider yourself a rational person basing your beliefs on fallacious arguments is counter productive.
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RE: Atheism is impossible, I don't see how life can be created naturalistically. - by theVOID - September 2, 2011 at 11:56 am

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