RE: Berkeley's argument for the existence of God
March 29, 2018 at 3:52 pm
(This post was last modified: March 29, 2018 at 3:58 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(March 29, 2018 at 3:39 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: Why it can't be that our whole bodies, including the neurons in our brain, as well as the other things we usually take to be material, such as chairs, are, in fact, immaterial?Philosophically speaking..it's called a stolen concept. If "immaterialism" simply takes everything material exactly as we know it then it's not an opposing position, or any disagreement whatsoever.
(March 29, 2018 at 3:45 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: OP: Electromagnetic waves exists without the requirement of human visual perception. End of argument.
Sunflowers "perceive" light but none of them are telling me about their gods.
(March 29, 2018 at 3:48 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: Let's stick with color then. Outside of the mind there is no such thing as "blue". There are light waves. We can measure the wavelength of the light (in the same way we can measure temperature) and say "that is what the mind interprets as blue" but blueness exists only as an idea.
Sunflowers disagree...all plants disagree. They respond to a narrow wavelength and reflect the rest. Auxin, btw. It's a photophobic growth hormone. (one of) Their version(s) of a mechanoreceptor..except that it senses light. Cool shit, huh.
Blueness may be "only an idea"..lets run with it. - why would that matter to the argument..if ideas have mass and occupy space anyway?
(March 29, 2018 at 3:48 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:(March 29, 2018 at 3:30 pm)Khemikal Wrote: If there's no way for the immaterial and material to interact...it's -the- problem that killed dualism.
Not really. It's an argument from ignorance. Just because you don't know how immaterial and material things interact does not mean they cannot do so.
No argument of mine, and irrelevant to the stated position we're discussing..since it asserts that there is no interaction (and can be no interaction) between them. I'll leave the door to dualism open for you to push through. Doing so (if you could, lol....) would be a refutation anyway.
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