The most horrifying journey, this is what doubting 'everything' does.

[Mystic]

So all I wanted from that discussion was a reason to believe in justifying value. 

I value goodness. I think doing so is axiomatic... in other word: it is self-evident that one should value what is good.

The only question that remains then is: What is good?

Do you take issue with my perspective?

Yes I do. As I explained, value values valuing the most, it praises when people act on valuing more then anything else, and appreciates appreciation, compassion, and generosity, which is all done out of valuing.

But what is valuing valuing? It becomes highly circular. The same is true of logic and reason. 

I don't believe in axioms anymore, like I use to.  I severely question that for a reason.

If it was like 1+1=2, it would been easy.


Something as complex as valuing and love, which either sees everything properly and love is a true assesser of all things and their outward and inward forms, or it's not....

We know of it existing as children and act on it, but as it get's greater, we need to realize what is and what it's source, and what's it's nature.

I don't believe anything is properly basic knowledge anymore. 

God is not either. If he was, we would all have the same vision of him.

It takes reflection. Reflection is the perceiver that sees through the eyes of love, that mirrors the light and channel love, and sees the name of God and guide with us.


Sure we don't always realize goodness and attachment to the guide and making him the eyes by which we see, was the nature, and we didn't have that capacity as children.

But in time, without this perception.

It becomes confusing and perplexing. Everyone talks of goodness, yet humans don't agree on what it is.

Everyone talks about love, but where is the love in this world?

It seems like a selfish thing we deluded ourselves for purpose evolving, that we made ourselves have such magical qualities.

And the Quran argues without one Absolute being,  everything would be in a state of corruption, but the truth is they are created by truth, by the water of the divine throne, the water by which the spirit of God was upon, in the bible.

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Some value goodness axiomatically. 

Explain me what an axiom is, and how it possibly is a source of knowledge. I would like to hear it.