The most horrifying journey, this is what doubting 'everything' does.

[Edwardo Piet]

We hate the Shamans and Prophets of old, but they steered humans to believing in self-worth.

Actually they did the exact opposite. They fed people with feelings of guilt, shame and original sin.

And they gave women the idea that covering themselves up is a good idea...

Religion is absolutely the worst thing to happen to worldwide self-worth.

You couldn't be more wrong about this.

What if you realized there is no justifying value without God but that God was impossible to exist, what you would do?

I'd hopefully realize my previous realization was a silly and false one.

I thought I was at that point in that thread. I wanted to believe so badly that value is possible in the Atheism paradigm, but I couldn't believe it.

Yet I thought God was impossible.

You want to see how emotionally traumatized I was, just read that thread.

Values are better without God. So calm down dude.

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Thanks for the trip down memory lane.  Lots of great posters there.  All of whom make a great deal more sense than you.

I really miss Kichi and ZB.

For those who don't know, when MK quoted DoubtVsFaith.... that's me

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I read a lot. I am a people of many books. Get back with me if you have read "The Selfish Gene" .

Bro, what you are stating is quite irrelevant to the conversation in that thread.

Actually it's the whole subject of the thread... no wonder you're feeling crappy about the thread if you haven't even read it correctly!