RE: Atheism is impossible, I don't see how life can be created naturalistically.
September 3, 2011 at 4:31 pm
(This post was last modified: September 3, 2011 at 4:33 pm by SleepingDemon.)
(September 3, 2011 at 1:50 pm)Diamond-Deist Wrote: There's been quite a few reply's and I can't answer all so i will have to cherry pick so to speak.
But "life" initially is nothing no brain, no thoughts, no decisions ..... it is how i best described it a will of force.
How can cells as a species survive with none of the above, for something to take action for it's survival takes self awareness, how can something be self aware when it visibly does not have the tools to do so .... once again it wills itself into action.
The ingredients of this universe seem to be pre programmed, as you said if life didn't happen here it would have happened somewhere else.
Something like that cannot be programmed without a complexity that is way beyond anything humans are capable of or can understand ...... where in the universe is there something capable of designing matter/atoms/elements that will inevitably behave in such a manner?
We know matter is aborted from stars and nebula but that only reinforces that factory esque design of the universe ....... hence the ID theory.
Now intelligent designer may not be some wizard of oz character pushing buttons but until you can understand the nature of God in relation to the universe it is a bit ignorant to dimiss it with such ease considering how much we don't know in of in the universe, maybe God is the Universe, maybe God is that will I keep referring to?[
Nothing is capable of designing it. That is the point, the cells in your body break down into molecules, those break down into atoms, atoms into protons, neutrons and electrons. The very same subatomic particles that make up the air you breathe, the chair you are sitting in. There is nothing magical or designed about it. It is easy to see design when you don't grasp the fundamentals of how things work. But the reality is that if this universe is indeed designed then the creator is pisspoor at it because he failed more than he succeeded.
And how does the fact that everything is made of stardust indicate creation? Why would a being capable of creating something from nothing have to recycle? Show me anywhere in the universe where things just puff into existence, then your theory of intelligent design will have some credibility. Until then I am going to defer to the experts.
"In our youth, we lacked the maturity, the decency to create gods better than ourselves so that we might have something to aspire to. Instead we are left with a host of deities who were violent, narcissistic, vengeful bullies who reflected our own values. Our gods could have been anything we could imagine, and all we were capable of manifesting were gods who shared the worst of our natures."-Me
"Atheism leaves a man to sense, to philosophy, to natural piety, to laws, to reputation; all of which may be guides to an outward moral virtue, even if religion vanished; but religious superstition dismounts all these and erects an absolute monarchy in the minds of men." – Francis Bacon
"Atheism leaves a man to sense, to philosophy, to natural piety, to laws, to reputation; all of which may be guides to an outward moral virtue, even if religion vanished; but religious superstition dismounts all these and erects an absolute monarchy in the minds of men." – Francis Bacon