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Dumb As A Bag of Hair
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RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair
(April 10, 2018 at 8:00 am)The Industrial Atheist Wrote:
(April 10, 2018 at 12:25 am)Godscreated Wrote: Not at all, that's just crazy thinking. Because God is omnipotent and omniscient this does not demand He has to do anything about any disease and there is nothing show that He would. The only reason atheist say such is because they do not want God to be real, too bad He is. God is said to have cursed the earth and He did by removing His protection from it and allowing Satan to have a part in human life as humans chose.

GC


 Your ailments are a result of sin period and it could be because of your own, now don't get bent out of shape I said could be. You speak of Christians and Jews as if they have always been and are still today primitive. Well the Egyptians worshiped many different gods and yet they built the pyramids, something architects today say we can't do, especially without modern equipment. There are stones in some of the Middle Eastern buildings so heavy that we have no machines that can move them, Solomon's Temple was considered one of the most beautiful complexes built. man today doesn't even have the talents needed to build the cathedrals of the past. So how is it we are primitive man is losing much knowledge every generation.

GC

I think Christians that believe that believe it mainly because they've been taught to and often keep believing because some of the teachings form a kind of loop. Or for comfort. I don't think Christians and Jews are less intelligent but I do believe studies have shown that some Christians are not as good at lateral thinking.

Could this be that they have found satisfaction in their lives that non Christians can't understand, a satisfaction that doesn't lead to or need to question everything around them especially life questions because they already have the answer that is true.

Industrial Atheist Wrote:I think the idea that we all somehow deserve everything just doesn't make sense, especially since we now have a whole lot of scientific understanding as to what causes disease. These teachings came before such progress. People were just trying to come up with an explanation without much verified knowledge.
It's basically "Someone must have angered the gods." I don't believe it's moral to punish people for something that other people did.

Just because we have a better understanding of diseases doesn't necessarily mean we do or do not deserve everything and I believe I made that point in my last post to you. 
I do not believe that there is a teaching that we all deserve all the things that happen to us good or bad. I believe that is more of a reactionary statement made by those who do not try and understand God on a level they need too. You know I could say the same thing about astrophysics, much in this field is guess work, much that is claimed has never been seen, they make this stuff up to explain things they have no idea about, such as comets.
The bold by me above is not necessarily a Christian teaching nor stance, it's more of something you would hear on TV. You are not punished for something others have done, you are or will be punished for your own sin. I know you are referring to Adam and Eve, well you are not being punished for what they did, the cause of the punishment was made possible because of what they did. They disobeyed God, God cursed the creation and allowed Satan to work in the lives of man, thus disease and other nasty things were allowed to exist and we sometimes run head on into them, meaning thing happen and other times God uses them in the lives of people for a purpose. This is a subject that could take a long time to completely explain, something suited better for another thread and small steps taken to allow the subject to develop. But even in another thread things would go off coarse because that's just the way threads work here, to many smart a_ _ to carry on a complete conversation, I'm not referring to you.  

Industrial Atheist Wrote:I do think it's harmful and causes unnecessary guilt to teach people that, and many other teachings such as that gay sex is wrong, that even just looking at anyone you aren't married to is wrong and I could go on. But I won't.

I can agree with some of that but not all, such as the gay sex, that isn't natural and I know a man who has come to that conclusion own his own and no longer practices gay sex or even believes he is was born gay.

Industrial Atheist Wrote:As for Solomon's Temple, I don't know that we've found that. I would suppose it would be big news. I would have to see evidence that it existed and in the form that the Bible says it did in order to believe that it did.

We haven't because it was totally destroyed, but if you accept the history of the Bible then we can assume such. Why would you need to see it, I'm betting that many things in the past we haven't found you believe existed just because archaeologist say they existed. Even though they will carefully us words such as may, could have, believe, should and ect. eliminating the Bible as good historical record is just a silly thing to do, especially in the light that many things were discovered because the Bible said they existed and then were found by archaeologist.

Industrial Atheist Wrote:I'm not sure that we couldn't build pyramids today with modern equipment instead of slave labor, but I don't think anyone would want to. At least not full size.

 You would get strong argument from those in the field of architecture. I've been told on this forum that the Egyptians did not use slave labor to build anything. If it's not built full size then it wouldn't be built. Ancient man was much smarter than they are given credit for, they learned to use simple tools with patience and accuracy, the Khmer dynasties are an example of hydrology in action long before the science of hydrology was established. All in all if a new structure isn't built by hand that is a duplicate of an ancient one then we've failed to build the structure in the keeping with the ancient people. I'm a woodworker and I can tell you that power tools can not equal the accuracy of the hand tools used by 18th and 19th century crafts man, nor the even more accurate hand tools of today. I can build a nice table that will last at least two hundred years with out using a ruler or tape measure and it will be stable and useful as a table should be. Knowledge is more important than the tools, without it we couldn't use the tools no matter how simple they may be.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by Minimalist - April 9, 2018 at 11:59 am
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by Chad32 - April 9, 2018 at 12:17 pm
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by Mister Agenda - April 9, 2018 at 12:19 pm
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by Godscreated - April 10, 2018 at 12:25 am
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by The Industrial Atheist - April 10, 2018 at 8:00 am
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by Godscreated - April 11, 2018 at 12:53 am
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by Foxaèr - April 11, 2018 at 12:58 am
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by Fake Messiah - April 11, 2018 at 4:36 am
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by Godscreated - April 12, 2018 at 12:59 am
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by Fireball - April 10, 2018 at 10:36 am
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by Godscreated - April 11, 2018 at 1:09 am
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by Foxaèr - April 11, 2018 at 1:26 am
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by Godscreated - April 11, 2018 at 1:43 am
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by vorlon13 - April 10, 2018 at 11:44 am
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by Minimalist - April 9, 2018 at 12:24 pm
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by JackRussell - April 9, 2018 at 12:26 pm
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by Minimalist - April 9, 2018 at 12:37 pm
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by vorlon13 - April 9, 2018 at 1:56 pm
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by The Industrial Atheist - April 9, 2018 at 2:00 pm
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by Minimalist - April 9, 2018 at 2:45 pm
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by The Industrial Atheist - April 9, 2018 at 3:00 pm
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by The Grand Nudger - April 9, 2018 at 2:01 pm
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by The Valkyrie - April 9, 2018 at 2:03 pm
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by Minimalist - April 9, 2018 at 3:02 pm
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by The Industrial Atheist - April 9, 2018 at 3:32 pm
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by Minimalist - April 10, 2018 at 1:23 am
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by Fake Messiah - April 10, 2018 at 7:18 am
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by Brian37 - April 10, 2018 at 8:15 am
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by vorlon13 - April 11, 2018 at 12:19 pm
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by The Grand Nudger - April 11, 2018 at 1:04 pm
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by vorlon13 - April 11, 2018 at 2:07 pm
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by Minimalist - April 12, 2018 at 1:32 am
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by Fake Messiah - April 12, 2018 at 4:34 am
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by MysticKnight - April 17, 2018 at 7:19 pm
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by Fake Messiah - April 18, 2018 at 1:18 am
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by Edwardo Piet - April 20, 2018 at 7:43 pm
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by Minimalist - April 17, 2018 at 7:36 pm
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by Fireball - April 17, 2018 at 7:51 pm
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by MysticKnight - April 17, 2018 at 10:03 pm
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by WinterHold - April 18, 2018 at 1:49 am
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by MysticKnight - April 20, 2018 at 12:52 pm
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by WinterHold - April 20, 2018 at 8:32 pm
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by GUBU - April 18, 2018 at 7:15 am
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by vorlon13 - April 17, 2018 at 7:57 pm
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by Fireball - April 17, 2018 at 10:52 pm
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by Minimalist - April 18, 2018 at 1:22 am
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by Minimalist - April 20, 2018 at 3:16 pm
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by Succubus - April 20, 2018 at 7:40 pm
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by Minimalist - April 20, 2018 at 7:42 pm
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by MysticKnight - April 21, 2018 at 10:06 am
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by Edwardo Piet - April 21, 2018 at 10:07 am
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by MysticKnight - April 21, 2018 at 10:09 am
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by vorlon13 - April 21, 2018 at 10:32 am
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by MysticKnight - April 21, 2018 at 10:50 am
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by downbeatplumb - April 21, 2018 at 1:08 pm
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by The Grand Nudger - April 21, 2018 at 10:17 am
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by vorlon13 - April 21, 2018 at 12:18 pm
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by Chad32 - April 21, 2018 at 1:14 pm
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by MysticKnight - April 21, 2018 at 1:54 pm
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by Abaddon_ire - April 28, 2018 at 8:20 pm
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by Wyrd of Gawd - May 2, 2018 at 8:25 pm
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by Fireball - May 2, 2018 at 8:31 pm
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by Wyrd of Gawd - May 3, 2018 at 4:04 am
RE: Dumb As A Bag of Hair - by vorlon13 - April 28, 2018 at 1:37 pm

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