RE: Oh no not another free will thread.
April 22, 2018 at 9:41 pm
(This post was last modified: April 22, 2018 at 9:44 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(April 22, 2018 at 9:33 pm)Losty Wrote: Why would the outcome be previously knowable?Lot's of answer to that question, but the criticism of free will Lut is discussing explicitly assumes a knowable outcome to the event as an exploration of how a being with that ability would present a problem for classical free will. Other answers could be:
-we live in an entirely deterministic and knowable universe.
-we live in a fatalistic universe
etc.
(April 22, 2018 at 9:33 pm)Lutrinae Wrote:Then they never knew that you would choose shirt b. Knowledge of the future in the sense relevant to omni gods purported ability explicitly requires that the x in question be set in stone as true. Just as the outcome of your choice being fundamentally knowable (even if no one knows it, not even you) also sets that outcome in stone. Foir what it;s worth, I think the latter part of my paranethesis describes a significant amount of the things we think we leverage some free will for..but don;t...even if we do, also, have a free will.(April 22, 2018 at 9:32 pm)Khemikal Wrote: You find yourself in a situation where you have to choose a shirt. You have shirt A, you have shirt B. You're going to choose shirt b, this is a knowable future state. Can you choose shirt a? No, you are going to choose shirt b. I guess you made a choice, but what freedom did you exert in an event with a previously knowable outcome?
Of course I can choose shirt A. Someone "knowing" the future does not mean the future is set in stone.
Remember the scrooge bit? Things that will be, not things that could be, maybe.
Quote:I've already stated this. The future can always be changed despite one's knowledge of it.Personally, I think that knowledge of the future would be a hell of a tool to change the future, if the future could be changed.
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