(April 24, 2018 at 8:52 am)Hammy Wrote: Well agnostic theists are agnostic about all gods, apart from the ones they think are impossible, I reckon.
It's simply that the god they believe in... they are leaning towards existing rather than away from existing.
This is what I mean when I say it's disingenuous to pretend that you don't think such-and-such entity is improbable or probable. Fair enough if you think it's a 50% or unknown probability. But to try and avoid that either... to pretend to have absolutely no opinion on things like unicorns, dragons, other gods, etc... it's just disingenuous.
Roadrunner was trying to have his cake and eat it too, and he's so unwilling to even define his own God, repeatedly, while repeatedly reacting to my statements about God as if I'm talking about his... that he had to go on block. He's not here for a proper discussion. There's nothing problematic about me saying "God is highly improbable" if I'm talking about a God that really is highly improbable. I could be talking about a God that can make square circles: A logically impossible God. You can't get more improbable than that!
But still, RR disingenuously continued over and over to react as if I'm talking about his God, all whilst refusing to define his God, and completely ignoring my statements about how I wasn't talking about his God, and how could I, because he refuses to describe his God to me.
I also said repeatedly that I don't consider all God's equally improbable and it depends on the God. I need to know which God we're talking about. I was merely making a blanket statement about all Gods that I do have valid reasons to consider improbable.
It's almost as if he was pretending like it's impossible to do that about any god, all while he does exactly the same about other gods besides the one he believes in, and about dragons, and unicorns and other improbable entities.
His objection was to say that "improbable" was the wrong word, and he didn't like the word. Tough shit that he doesn't like the word, it is the like word. Probable/improbable is a true dichotomy. The only misleading aspect is the fact that it's not clear whether 50% is probable or improbable, because it's exactly half probable... and it's also possible to put an unknown probability on things. But I already addressed that. And I asked him if he honestly thinks the probability of fire breathing dragons is unknown.
He won't answer direct questions directly, because that would make him have to face the fact that my analogy succeeds, and I have a point, and that I'm right when he's trying to have his cake and eat it too.
Well he knows where the discussions is headed so he can't answer certain questions in order to avoid making logical commitments.
Anyway I think that Agnostic theists are so rare (much more rare than agnostic atheists) because they feel the need to be certain about the existence of god therefore avoid the word "probable". Where as atheists can freely think and use reason so "I don't know if there is a god or not but lean towards not" is more common.
Theists are sort of forced to hold the position that god certainly exists because god gets mad if we don't have faith, regardless of logic and probability.
