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There are no higher emotions/values
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RE: There are no higher emotions/values
(April 29, 2018 at 11:13 am)Transcended Dimensions Wrote:
(April 29, 2018 at 11:05 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: I asked you pointed questions about your argument.  I expect you to be able address them.  It is your argument, after all.

Edit:

You posted this somewhere else, and everyone told you to get mental help, so...you decided coming by here and spewing it was good idea?

All I'm saying is that our emotions are the only real perception of value and that there is no other mental state that allows us to truly perceive value.  People are delusional to believe otherwise since believing that you are perceiving value is not the same thing as actually perceiving value.  Positive/pleasant emotions allow us to perceive good value, beauty, and joy while our negative/unpleasant emotions allow us to perceive bad value, horror, and disgust.  In short, you need to feel positive emotions to make your life good and beautiful and you need to feel negative emotions to make your life shit, horrible, and disgusting.

Value is not an objective thing outside of yourself that you perceive; it’s a subjective experience that you have. as are emotions.  “Good value” and “bad value” are incoherent concepts.  Value is described in degrees or quantity, not quality.  I value my children the most.  I value my pets, but not as much as I value my children.  I don’t value the Carpenter ant’s nest in my basement at all.  Zero value.  Is it true that we tend to value the things in life that reward us with good, positive feelings and experiences?  Of course. But it doesn’t follow that humans are unable to assign subjective value to certain things based on some arbitrary set of criteria, or that someone’s subjective value judgement of a thing is somehow not real.  You have no access to another person’s feelings and experiences, and while you might not be able to understand how someone could value, say, a terrible experience they had, that doesn’t necessarily mean they don’t or can’t.  Many people value negative experiences for what those experiences taught them about life, and about themselves.  Who are you to tell those people their feelings are inauthentic?  

I’ll ask you again; please provide an example of an emotion or a value jusgement that is, “not real”.

(April 29, 2018 at 3:44 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: If there was a miserable person giving to others and making their lives good, then he wouldn't be able to perceive that as being good and worth living for without his positive emotions.

This is simply not true.  Why would he be doing these deeds at all if he wasn’t experiencing positive emotions as the result; if he did not consider his actions valuable?
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”

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RE: There are no higher emotions/values - by Silver - April 29, 2018 at 7:50 am
RE: There are no higher emotions/values - by brewer - April 29, 2018 at 10:29 am
RE: There are no higher emotions/values - by Mister Agenda - April 30, 2018 at 11:20 am
RE: There are no higher emotions/values - by LadyForCamus - April 29, 2018 at 8:23 am
RE: There are no higher emotions/values - by LadyForCamus - April 29, 2018 at 10:34 am
RE: There are no higher emotions/values - by LadyForCamus - April 29, 2018 at 11:05 am
RE: There are no higher emotions/values - by LadyForCamus - April 29, 2018 at 10:05 pm
RE: There are no higher emotions/values - by Angrboda - April 30, 2018 at 6:41 am
RE: There are no higher emotions/values - by LadyForCamus - April 30, 2018 at 9:13 am
RE: There are no higher emotions/values - by LadyForCamus - April 30, 2018 at 10:27 am
RE: There are no higher emotions/values - by LadyForCamus - April 30, 2018 at 12:11 pm
RE: There are no higher emotions/values - by LadyForCamus - April 30, 2018 at 3:00 pm
RE: There are no higher emotions/values - by Astreja - April 30, 2018 at 3:05 pm
RE: There are no higher emotions/values - by Astreja - April 29, 2018 at 5:56 pm
RE: There are no higher emotions/values - by Succubus - April 29, 2018 at 11:08 am
RE: There are no higher emotions/values - by KevinM1 - April 29, 2018 at 1:57 pm
RE: There are no higher emotions/values - by brewer - April 29, 2018 at 2:29 pm
RE: There are no higher emotions/values - by KevinM1 - April 29, 2018 at 2:45 pm
RE: There are no higher emotions/values - by Joods - April 29, 2018 at 2:48 pm
RE: There are no higher emotions/values - by Edwardo Piet - April 29, 2018 at 2:52 pm
RE: There are no higher emotions/values - by Edwardo Piet - April 30, 2018 at 3:09 pm
RE: There are no higher emotions/values - by brewer - April 29, 2018 at 3:38 pm
RE: There are no higher emotions/values - by The Valkyrie - April 29, 2018 at 7:43 pm
RE: There are no higher emotions/values - by SaStrike - April 29, 2018 at 8:01 pm
RE: There are no higher emotions/values - by KevinM1 - April 29, 2018 at 9:50 pm
RE: There are no higher emotions/values - by ignoramus - April 30, 2018 at 3:37 am
RE: There are no higher emotions/values - by robvalue - April 30, 2018 at 4:58 am
RE: There are no higher emotions/values - by SaStrike - April 30, 2018 at 6:21 am
RE: There are no higher emotions/values - by ignoramus - April 30, 2018 at 5:37 am
RE: There are no higher emotions/values - by brewer - April 30, 2018 at 6:07 am
RE: There are no higher emotions/values - by ignoramus - April 30, 2018 at 6:28 am
RE: There are no higher emotions/values - by KevinM1 - April 30, 2018 at 3:06 pm
RE: There are no higher emotions/values - by Jackalope - April 30, 2018 at 3:57 pm
RE: There are no higher emotions/values - by Whateverist - April 30, 2018 at 3:08 pm
RE: There are no higher emotions/values - by Losty - April 30, 2018 at 3:12 pm
RE: There are no higher emotions/values - by Edwardo Piet - April 30, 2018 at 4:19 pm
RE: There are no higher emotions/values - by KevinM1 - April 30, 2018 at 3:22 pm
RE: There are no higher emotions/values - by KevinM1 - April 30, 2018 at 3:34 pm
RE: There are no higher emotions/values - by KevinM1 - April 30, 2018 at 3:41 pm
RE: There are no higher emotions/values - by Angrboda - April 30, 2018 at 4:19 pm

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