There are no higher emotions/values

[Transcended Dimensions]

And you, nor anyone else is in the position to tell another human being that their lives can’t be good or have meaning unless they share the same worldview as you.  If you want to subscribe to this crazy shit then go for it, but leave the rest of us alone.  You’re no better than a Christian with this preaching. Get lost.

Also, I just can't trust anybody when they claim that there is more value and beauty to life than positive emotions.

Well, that’s a “you” problem.  I’m not sure why you’re bothering the rest of us about it.

Because it could be the case that other people really are lying and that I really am right.  If it's the case that I'm right, then I am sharing my views.

I am not inside his mind and I can't experience what he is experiencing to find out.

And that is precisely why you should never presume to know what someone else is experiencing --

-- nor should you assign any value at all to their experience, since to you it is unknowable.

Speak of your own experiences if you wish, and we can speak of ours if we wish, and that can be the basis for a dialogue.

I am just presenting my personal views in case I am right and other people really are wrong about their personal experience.  I am asking other people to think twice and really hone in on their personal experience to see for themselves if their positive emotions really are the only real source of beauty and joy in their lives or not.

This is the stupidest fucking thread.

"But mooooooooom, I really only want to live a life of instant gratification...!"

I was explaining something far more than that.  I had a religious view going on where I describe positive emotions as being a divine state of consciousness or a divine life force that we need in our lives.  I presented this religious view in one of my previous posts which was a recent post.

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If there was a miserable person giving to others and making their lives good, then he wouldn't be able to perceive that as being good and worth living for without his positive emotions.  So, it wouldn't matter to that miserable person.  Also, an absence of suffering and misery can only make your life neutral (neither good nor bad) if you were like a robot because, as I said before, if you had neither positive nor negative emotions, then you would be perceiving no value in your life.

As far as I'm concerned an absence of bad is good. Like I said, I think Schopenhauer was right about that. Good is the absence of bad. It's the opposite viewpoint of the idea that evil is the absence of good. Which is how some Christians pathetically fail to deal with the problem of evil: They say evil doesn't exist as it's merely the absence of good. On the contrary, if there's nothing bad then it doesn't even matter whether there's anything good or not. The slighest bit of mild concern about your lack of good feelings is a slight bit of badness. Without even mild concern literally no one cares that there's no good feelings so it literally doesn't matter. And look at the positive feeling of relief for instance: It's a removal of pain.

And yes, someone who is miserable feels miserable but that doesn't mean their misery can't improve and it doesn't mean that he can't give pleasure to others.

Positive emotions is the good life, negative emotions is a bad life, and having neither positive nor negative emotions is a neutral life of no value which would be apathy.  That is my personal view. It would be like how, if you have neither a positive nor negative charge, then you can only have no charge at all. Not having a negative charge does not equate to having a positive charge. So, if you have no bad value in your life, that does not equate to good value in your life. You need positive emotions to have good value in your life just as how you need a positive charge to have a positive charge.