RE: The Objective Moral Values Argument AGAINST The Existence Of God
May 1, 2018 at 9:41 am
(This post was last modified: May 1, 2018 at 9:47 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(May 1, 2018 at 8:35 am)Hammy Wrote: If we ditch premises 1, 2, 4 and 5 as you suggest we are left with only premises 3, 6 and 7 (which instead become premises 1 2 and 3 of a shorter argument) and the two conclusions:Of that, I'd only keep 1, 2 and 3....the conclusion didn't follow to begin with. The strongest conclusion we can arrive at rationally and parsimoniously is that it is more rational to accept the existence of objective moral values not being contingent on gods or demonstrative of gods....not that it's more rational not to believe in a god in any general sense. Any given believer can agree with 1, 2, and 3.
Quote:Premise 1. If all other relevant reasons are equal then it is more rational to be parsimonious.
Conclusion 1: It is more rational to believe in objective moral values without the existence of God if the existence of God is not required for objective values to exist.
Premise 2: There is simply no reason to believe that the existence of objective moral values require God's existence.
Premise 3: Objective moral values do exist.
Final conclusion: It is more rational to not believe in God than to believe in God.
And that doesn't even make any sense. It's not a complete argument. Conclusion 1 doesn't follow simply from premise 1 alone and the final conclusion doesn't follow either.
Quote:Actually you do need premise 3. The point of the argument is that if objective moral values exist then it's more rational to believe in them without God. That's the entire point of the argument! How am I supposed to demonstrate that without spelling it out explicitly when that's the whole point of a logical argument?Well, I don't need it. It's redundant to the new 1.
Try rearranging them, 3/1/2?
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