RE: The Objective Moral Values Argument AGAINST The Existence Of God
May 2, 2018 at 11:04 am
(This post was last modified: May 2, 2018 at 11:28 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Legality and morality are not the same subject. Moral realism depends on the existence of moral facts..not a moral fact giver. Laws, in some ethical sense, may depend on a lawgiver..but the contents of those laws are not an example of moral realism unless they refer to moral facts, and those moral facts would still be facts even if no one ever chiseled some bullshit on a couple of rocks.
Moral realism makes as much (or as little) sense as it does regardless of the status of ones belief in god..and regardless of the existence of a god. The truth (or falsity) of one is completely uninformative as to the existence of the other.
If a person believes in gods and accepts that there are moral facts, they are a moral realist and a deist.
If a person does not believe in god and accepts that there are moral facts, they are a moral realist and an atheist.
If a person believes in gods and does not accept that there are moral facts, they are deists but not moral realists.
If a person does not believe in gods and does not accept that there are moral facts, they are atheists but not a moral realists.
The divine command theory of morality, that the moral laws are such and such because god commanded them to be so as lawgiver...that an actions moral status is an effect of it's concordance with divine commands....is in the third category. Ironically, what makes sense to you, as at least as described above....is an instance of moral realism -not- making any sense. Morality, in that category, is about god facts..not moral facts. It's subjective, meaningfully arbitrary, and....frankly..capricious.
Moral realism makes as much (or as little) sense as it does regardless of the status of ones belief in god..and regardless of the existence of a god. The truth (or falsity) of one is completely uninformative as to the existence of the other.
If a person believes in gods and accepts that there are moral facts, they are a moral realist and a deist.
If a person does not believe in god and accepts that there are moral facts, they are a moral realist and an atheist.
If a person believes in gods and does not accept that there are moral facts, they are deists but not moral realists.
If a person does not believe in gods and does not accept that there are moral facts, they are atheists but not a moral realists.
The divine command theory of morality, that the moral laws are such and such because god commanded them to be so as lawgiver...that an actions moral status is an effect of it's concordance with divine commands....is in the third category. Ironically, what makes sense to you, as at least as described above....is an instance of moral realism -not- making any sense. Morality, in that category, is about god facts..not moral facts. It's subjective, meaningfully arbitrary, and....frankly..capricious.
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