(May 3, 2018 at 11:58 am)Khemikal Wrote:(May 3, 2018 at 11:56 am)Sal Wrote: BTW, as an excerpt, what is an example of "objective morality"? "Slavery is wrong" or "murder is wrong"? Not that I don't agree with these statements, I just think it would be difficult to argue for these statements as objective, they might seem objective, but I think they are moral precepts.
Sure, both of those could qualify, though you'll quickly find that not every explanation for why they're wrong qualifies. Depends on the facts, and whether or not they are true. So, ask yourself..-why- is slavery or murder wrong. Is the answer to that question factual? Are those facts somehow subject to your opinion? Could you change them and so change the moral status by simply changing your opinion?
No, I don't think those explanations would change based upon my own opinion - at least not on the surface, since I don't consider them facts - since they're based on a (seemingly) subjective metric: the harm they cause. I think slavery is wrong because they infringe upon a persons individual freedom and ability to choose their own life for themselves without the constraints slavery imposes. I don't think anything in the previous sentence is in any way an objective statement or reason, I'm also not sure if it would suffice as sufficient explanation for why slavery is wrong.
Likewise with murder: I think murder is wrong because it is the ultimate harm someone can make to someone else. Neither this statement seems, for me to be objective, because it hinges on harm done. I'm also unsure if this is sufficient reason to think why murder is wrong, I mean, what about killing someone in self-defense? That seems like an alleviating condition.
What would be a fact about "slavery is wrong", or that "murder is wrong"? Best I can come up with is "murder is wrong because it robs someone of their life", and "slavery is wrong because it robs a persons freedom". Good enough? Idk.
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