QH,
You are right in one thing; science does start with the basic belief in the laws of logic and the reality of what is presented to us. But if we don't start with these assumptions then nothing is sensible. For example if the law of non-contradiction is not true, by what standard would we know it not to be true? If it isn't true then things could be both true and not true at the same time so things break down to be not sensible at all. By what standard could we prove that reality was real when we live inextricably within the very reality that we are testing? We could be brains in jars fed very convincing hallucinations that we interpret as real. So there are certain basic beliefs that have proven necessary to hold, even though there is no standard to prove them real, for reality to make any sense.
Some theists would say that God is a basic belief and just as necessary for reality to make sense. They will claim that for there to be a movement there needs to be an unmoved mover, or origination point. I don't see it that way and I certainly don't see how one could start at the idea of actus purus and get to any of the existing religions today without serious leaps of blind faith.
Order exists but there is no evidence that without God that order would not exist.
You are right in one thing; science does start with the basic belief in the laws of logic and the reality of what is presented to us. But if we don't start with these assumptions then nothing is sensible. For example if the law of non-contradiction is not true, by what standard would we know it not to be true? If it isn't true then things could be both true and not true at the same time so things break down to be not sensible at all. By what standard could we prove that reality was real when we live inextricably within the very reality that we are testing? We could be brains in jars fed very convincing hallucinations that we interpret as real. So there are certain basic beliefs that have proven necessary to hold, even though there is no standard to prove them real, for reality to make any sense.
Some theists would say that God is a basic belief and just as necessary for reality to make sense. They will claim that for there to be a movement there needs to be an unmoved mover, or origination point. I don't see it that way and I certainly don't see how one could start at the idea of actus purus and get to any of the existing religions today without serious leaps of blind faith.
Order exists but there is no evidence that without God that order would not exist.
