Scientific Knowledge? If there is no God?

[Godnoze]

I'm curious--since our science extrapolates (on a type of human faith) that the world we see is objectively measurable and understandable, and that our minds are equipped to know it not only instinctively, but speculatively...doesn't our entire system of Science kind of presuppose an ordered universe, with something faintly like a person ordering it (since it's intelligible to other persons)?

Shit happens. People observed that shit happening. They used not to be able to explain in any real meaningful way what made the shit happen, so they made up gods and stuff. It seemed to work, so their faith in it deepened, until it became a doctrine (several doctrines actually, often competing). Only then people who were actually looking at the shit happening rather than the doctrine noticed the doctrine didn't always agree with what was actually taking place, eg Copernicus, Galileo, et al. So science developed and gradually became separated from religion, and the dichotomy grew between "faith" and "knowledge".

Unlike religion, which starts from the presupposition that the shit was actively created by some clever bloke (usually a bloke rather than a bird, for some reason) who somehow already existed, the great thing about science is that it doesn't "presuppose" anything, not even an "ordered universe " (whatever that might be), but bases everything upon what is actually observed (on the general principle that "one thing leads to another"). The really big difference between scientific knowledge and religious "belief" is that the former starts out from the observable here and now whereas the latter stems entirely from someone's imagination of zillions of years ago, and is supported only by relentless repetition (ie dogma).

The insertion of an imaginary god into the universe does not add anything to the sum of human knowledge, and ultimately only confuses the issue. If god "created" the universe, then who "created" the god? But it's a daft question anyway, it's as plain as the nose on your face that god is a concept invented in the imagination of people in order to "explain" stuff they didn't understand. God did not "create man in His own image", on the contrary it was men who created God in their image. They made "Him" up! As a way of "explaining" stuff.

Nevertheless, I would be among the first to agree that a notion of "god" had many things going for it in its time, and certainly contributed a great deal (good and bad) to the formation of current civilizations. However the time for such blind faith has now passed, and humanity is poised to enter a new era of true enlightenment, in which knowledge will replace faith and people can become free from the shackles of religion and its associated bigotry and other baggage. That is, of course, if the flippin' atheists don't screw it all up with wanton cynicism and cold-hearted flippantry and force good-hearted people back into the clutches of the priests...

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