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Incredulous Logic
RE: Incredulous Logic
(September 6, 2011 at 7:19 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Then the Christian theist should have no issue discarding parts of his text that are clearly in contradiction to [God's] predictable and uniform creation as the misinterpretations of man. Things like biblical cosmology, global floods, exodus accounts, etc.

I am with you on biblical cosmology and the global flood being (badly) misinterpreted by young-earth creationists, although I think it might be overly generous to say they "misinterpreted" it because that implies they engaged in something that could even qualify as interpretation (wrong as it may be), but I have to call you out on the exodus from Egypt. There is a debate/discussion pending on that issue between myself and another forum member who likewise thinks it never happened. You will want to watch for that one, because the evidence supporting that event is fairly compelling.

(September 6, 2011 at 9:28 pm)Rhythm Wrote: In fact, I propose that [God] could just will the plants to grow and make the world visible without light. I see no direct or implied promise of the mechanism of such things. So where's your justification, exactly? A different chapter and verse, perhaps?

There is a rather important difference between what God could do and what he does do; that is to say, just because he could do a thing it does not follow that he has done that thing. As Tertullian once noted, "Certainly nothing is difficult for God. But if in our assumptions we so rashly make use of this judgment, we shall be able to invent any manner of thing concerning God, as that he has done it, on the ground that he was able to do it."

As for the "direct or implied promise of the mechanism" upon which we are assured the uniformity of nature, consider God's assurance to the people of Israel: "But I, the LORD, make the following promise: I have made a covenant governing the coming of day and night. I have established the fixed laws governing heaven and earth. Just as surely as I have done this, so surely will I never reject the descendants of Jacob. Nor will I ever refuse to choose one of my servant David's descendants to rule over the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Indeed, I will restore them and show mercy to them" (Jer 33:25-26).
Man is a rational animal who always loses his temper when
called upon to act in accordance with the dictates of reason.
(Oscar Wilde)
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Incredulous Logic - by Cinjin - August 22, 2011 at 3:55 pm
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RE: Incredulous Logic - by Ace Otana - August 22, 2011 at 4:04 pm
RE: Incredulous Logic - by searchingforanswers - August 22, 2011 at 4:31 pm
RE: Incredulous Logic - by Napoléon - August 22, 2011 at 5:07 pm
RE: Incredulous Logic - by Kayenneh - August 22, 2011 at 5:18 pm
RE: Incredulous Logic - by Cinjin - August 22, 2011 at 8:15 pm
RE: Incredulous Logic - by Statler Waldorf - August 22, 2011 at 8:21 pm
RE: Incredulous Logic - by Cinjin - August 22, 2011 at 8:27 pm
RE: Incredulous Logic - by Statler Waldorf - August 22, 2011 at 8:31 pm
RE: Incredulous Logic - by Cinjin - August 23, 2011 at 12:30 am
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RE: Incredulous Logic - by Statler Waldorf - August 23, 2011 at 5:55 pm
RE: Incredulous Logic - by Ace Otana - August 23, 2011 at 6:01 pm
RE: Incredulous Logic - by Statler Waldorf - August 24, 2011 at 4:33 pm
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RE: Incredulous Logic - by Cinjin - August 23, 2011 at 6:18 pm
RE: Incredulous Logic - by Statler Waldorf - August 23, 2011 at 8:09 pm
RE: Incredulous Logic - by Cinjin - August 23, 2011 at 8:41 pm
RE: Incredulous Logic - by Statler Waldorf - August 24, 2011 at 4:41 pm
RE: Incredulous Logic - by Cinjin - August 24, 2011 at 5:04 pm
RE: Incredulous Logic - by The Grand Nudger - August 22, 2011 at 9:18 pm
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RE: Incredulous Logic - by Ace Otana - August 23, 2011 at 4:14 pm
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RE: Incredulous Logic - by The Grand Nudger - August 24, 2011 at 4:39 pm
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RE: Incredulous Logic - by Cinjin - August 24, 2011 at 9:49 pm
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RE: Incredulous Logic - by Cinjin - August 25, 2011 at 9:07 pm
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RE: Incredulous Logic - by The Grand Nudger - August 24, 2011 at 5:22 pm
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RE: Incredulous Logic - by The Grand Nudger - August 24, 2011 at 6:55 pm
RE: Incredulous Logic - by The Grand Nudger - August 24, 2011 at 7:04 pm
RE: Incredulous Logic - by Cinjin - August 24, 2011 at 7:51 pm
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RE: Incredulous Logic - by The Grand Nudger - August 24, 2011 at 9:48 pm
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RE: Incredulous Logic - by Cinjin - August 24, 2011 at 10:56 pm
RE: Incredulous Logic - by The Grand Nudger - August 25, 2011 at 12:11 am
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RE: Incredulous Logic - by Statler Waldorf - September 6, 2011 at 3:59 pm
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RE: Incredulous Logic - by Statler Waldorf - September 6, 2011 at 7:06 pm
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RE: Incredulous Logic - by The Grand Nudger - September 6, 2011 at 7:19 pm
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RE: Incredulous Logic - by downbeatplumb - September 7, 2011 at 11:24 am
RE: Incredulous Logic - by Statler Waldorf - September 7, 2011 at 3:45 pm
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RE: Incredulous Logic - by The Grand Nudger - September 6, 2011 at 9:28 pm
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RE: Incredulous Logic - by The Grand Nudger - September 7, 2011 at 12:21 am
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RE: Incredulous Logic - by Statler Waldorf - September 7, 2011 at 3:59 pm
RE: Incredulous Logic - by The Grand Nudger - September 7, 2011 at 4:07 pm
RE: Incredulous Logic - by Statler Waldorf - September 7, 2011 at 7:41 pm
RE: Incredulous Logic - by The Grand Nudger - September 7, 2011 at 7:43 pm
RE: Incredulous Logic - by thesummerqueen - September 7, 2011 at 7:44 pm
RE: Incredulous Logic - by Napoléon - September 7, 2011 at 7:47 pm
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