RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 1:09 am
(This post was last modified: May 15, 2018 at 1:16 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(May 15, 2018 at 1:04 am)CDF47 Wrote:With a definition. That;s what you're disagreeing with., The definition of irreducible complexity as described by the man who coined the term. The term does not mean "the last thing we can explain".(May 15, 2018 at 12:59 am)Khemikal Wrote: The "bottom level" of functioning life is the moment that it becomes life. Whatever caused that reaction....that would approach the notion of irreducible complexity...however, it;s chemistry at that point...so all this machine nonsense would be inapplicable even if you managed to get it right. This is how we know that irreducible complexity ois a failed idea. It;s not that Behe et al picked the wrong examples or candidates...the notion itself is fundamentally bankrupt.
You could ask me "what;s under that...then?"s all night and nothing about that will change.
I disagree.
Quote:The lowest level of the machine found would be irreducibly complex.That is not what the term means.
Quote:We are close on the flagellum (it goes down 3 levels according to you). I am familiar with the pump but not the other two machines.We're not close..and not according to me. It;s almost as if you're having an entirely different conversation with me in your head. Not only are there precursor trans to protein pumps...there are chemical and osmotic trans beneath those. Precursors all the way to chemistry. -All of which persist in extant life, some of it indicative of the lca between pro and eukaryotes.
It is a failed idea. You should have discarded it when you realized they were bullshitting you about the flagellum.
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