(May 16, 2018 at 10:13 am)CDF47 Wrote:No, your god explicitly lies in the bible starting with adam.(May 16, 2018 at 10:02 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: No. It is directly in the context of Genesis. Bleating the "out of context" mantra like a mindless sheep will not help your case.
Your god states that he doesn't. Is god lying?
How could he know it was wrong? He hadn't learned good from evil yet? Why did god intentionally place the tree there in the full knowledge that the serpent would turn up and Adam and eve would eat from the tree? According to you god knew it in advance. There was nothing Adam or eve could do about it? That is not "free will".
How would Eve know it was wrong? How would Eve know or understand the consequences of such an action? Why did Eve not drop dead? And Adam?
Sure, his plan, if such it can be called was for millennia of bloodshed and all manner of horror, followed by raping Mary to impregnate her with himself to give birth to himself so that he could sacrifice himself to himself to forgive everyone else for falling for the rigged game that he himself set up in the first place. And if he knew how it would turn out, nobody else had free will at all.
Because your god is that much of a prick. He could easily have prevented all of it.
Apology accepted.
The bible supports none of that.
How can I hate god? He doesn't exist to be hated. And I need make no effort to make god appear horrible. The bible, which you obviously have not read, does that all of it's lonesome.
Slavery. Explain slavery.
So not "loving" after all.
Sure. Have some incest. Noah's family. Lot's family, King David, King solomon and various others.
How about absurdity? Ex 9:6, god kills all the cattle in Egypt. Now that they are all dead, he kills them again in Ex 9:19 and again in Ex 12:29
Disagree.
No, He is not lying. He is does not lie.
(May 16, 2018 at 10:13 am)CDF47 Wrote: It was free will. They had the choice not to eat of the tree but they did.How would they know there was anything wrong with that? god told them not to, you say? How would they know that was right?
(May 16, 2018 at 10:13 am)CDF47 Wrote: Eve probably knew what death looked like from animal death.How. A&E were vegetarians and no animals died until god killed them. Anything else is just you making crap up.
It isn't in the bible.
(May 16, 2018 at 10:13 am)CDF47 Wrote: They ended up dying after expulsion from the garden so they could multiply the earth.That's stupid. How many more progeny could they produce if they didn't die?
(May 16, 2018 at 10:13 am)CDF47 Wrote: Everyone has free will unless God speaks or works through them in moment.Seems to me that you are attempting and failing to demonstrate gods omnipotence.
(May 16, 2018 at 10:13 am)CDF47 Wrote: There is a penalty for sin.Who created the sin? Who created the punishment?
(May 16, 2018 at 10:13 am)CDF47 Wrote: God is just and needs to punish for sin.The bible claims that god is not even vaguely just. How did your god treat the Amalakites? Was that just? Is slavery just? Is a death penalty for homosexuality just? How about picking up sticks on the sabbath? Is that death penalty just?
(May 16, 2018 at 10:13 am)CDF47 Wrote: He offered himself as the sacrifice for that sin.What sacrifice? Are you now claiming that jesus is dead?
(May 16, 2018 at 10:13 am)CDF47 Wrote: He gave us his pure righteousness and took on our sin upon Himself. All glory be to God.Then if true, why has sin NOT been removed? Why does your god consider slavery to be moral while the rest of the world does not? Why does the rest of the world consider genocide to be immoral and your god does not?
(May 16, 2018 at 10:13 am)CDF47 Wrote: It could be part of the war in heaven.It could be part of a strawberry blancmange. That is meaningless speculation by precisely you.
(May 16, 2018 at 10:13 am)CDF47 Wrote: OK.OK what?
(May 16, 2018 at 10:13 am)CDF47 Wrote: I believe it does.Nobody can stop you from believing fairy stories. Rather odd in someone who claims to be an adult, no?
(May 16, 2018 at 10:13 am)CDF47 Wrote: Disagree.For some reason, you continue to imagine that such an answer answers anything.
(May 16, 2018 at 10:13 am)CDF47 Wrote: He allowed slavery but had many rules on it so it was not harsh slavery.ORLY? You can beat your slave as much as you wish and so long as they don't die of the beating within a couple of days then that is OK with you? That is one of your gods rules. Once again we discover that you are ignorant of your own bible.
(May 16, 2018 at 10:13 am)CDF47 Wrote: There is slavery in the world today still.Sure. But that does not excuse your god's outright thuggery, and being more moral than your god, we are actually working to eliminate it, unlike your god who simply keeps on supporting it.
(May 16, 2018 at 10:13 am)CDF47 Wrote: Loving but also can get angry like we can. We are loving and get angry. We are also to hate sin like he hates sin.Oh. Now you claim that your god is neither perfect nor omnibenevolent. Your god is a capricious hateful thug.
(May 16, 2018 at 10:13 am)CDF47 Wrote: OK, one thing at a time.You want that? Sure. Simply stop with your Gish Gallop and address one thing at a time. But you don't really want that because you know that all of your claims will be shredded for the morally repugnant crap they are. Somewhere you realise that you are more moral than the god you claim. Your problem is that you struggle to reconcile that fact.
(May 16, 2018 at 10:13 am)CDF47 Wrote: No way. God first. Then family. Then country.So like Andrea Yeats, you would be OK with killing your own children?
(May 16, 2018 at 10:13 am)CDF47 Wrote:Once again, imaginary figures.(May 16, 2018 at 10:11 am)Kit Wrote: He means those pretend ID scientists.
No, those brilliant PhD scientists from ID.