RE: Scientific Knowledge? If there is no God?
September 8, 2011 at 2:59 am
(This post was last modified: September 8, 2011 at 3:02 am by Captain Scarlet.)
(September 7, 2011 at 7:52 pm)Diamond-Deist Wrote: Chaos as in action yes but not entirely? gravity?DD this interpretation is exactly wrong when it comes to what we truly understand about our universe. Quantum mechanical systems are the way the world works whether we like it or not, and not only are those systems chaotic and unpredicatble but they are also approximate. That is the universe exsits in an approximate state, not that quantum mechnical system and predications are approximate (quite the reverse they are staggeringly accurate). They stay approximate until the wave function governing their unpredictability collapses. The fact the we perceive order at the middle scale we exist (ie we do not exist at the very small (string size) nor the very large (galaxy size)) is just a fucntion of how are conciousness has come to interpret the world and not how the world really is. The quantum theory of gravity is incomplete, but once it is it will also demonstrate that gravity itself is a goverened by probability, but on the very large scale it approximates to looking ordered.
(September 7, 2011 at 7:52 pm)Diamond-Deist Wrote: the fact that the elements make up everything the universe needs?The universe has no needs. It just 'is'. It is expressionless.
(September 7, 2011 at 7:52 pm)Diamond-Deist Wrote: Life needs a number of elements to even exist we happen to have them in abundance, minus a few elements everything that exists could just be rock.The elements needed for carbon based life forms to originate are not in abundance in the universe and come from well understood stellar processes. The most abundant element in the universe is hydrogen. To impute purpose in the universe because of the fact life exists in it, is fallacious. It ignores the facts of the universe; for example 99.9999999999999% recurring of the universe is hostile to life, most matter in the unvierse is concentrated into black holes which hoover up large tracts of time and space, the universe is expanding at an ever increasing rate and will fly apart from itself resulting in an entropic death, our galaxy is dead on a collision course with the nearby Andromeda galaxy. The prognoisis for life is not good, infact if you did wish to impute purpose into the universe you would be better position to argue that life is here inspite of the hostility of the universe and is the biological scum on a / a number of planets with favourable conditions. The 'real' purpose being to create a vaccum or the most balck holes etc etc. I cannot see an argument to impute purpose into the universe at all however.
"I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a lack of confidence"...Doug McLeod.