(May 22, 2018 at 9:33 am)CDF47 Wrote:(May 22, 2018 at 3:53 am)pocaracas Wrote: No, No, No, No, No, No!
That is a very wrong leap.
DNA looks designed to your simple mind.
The Universe looks fine tuned to your simple mind.
But you have no way of showing these two designs. Because of this, you cannot infer anything from those "looks designed".
If the whole Universe is designed, then you don't have any basis to argue for any design, because you have nothing - NOTHING - that's not designed for you to compare and measure against.
If the Universe is not designed, then it just isn't.... and the fact that it looks designed to your mind is just your ignorance talking.
It all clearly looks designed because it is designed. Ever think of that.
Have you ever come across the concept of emergent complexity?
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/properties-emergent/
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[E]mergent entities (properties or substances) ‘arise’ out of more fundamental entities and yet are ‘novel’ or ‘irreducible’ with respect to them. (For example, it is sometimes said that consciousness is an emergent property of the brain.) [...] There has been renewed interest in emergence within discussions of the behavior of complex systems and debates over the reconcilability of mental causation, intentionality, or consciousness with physicalism.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergence
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Systems scientist Peter Corning also says that living systems cannot be reduced to underlying laws of physics:
Rules, or laws, have no causal efficacy; they do not in fact “generate” anything. They serve merely to describe regularities and consistent relationships in nature. These patterns may be very illuminating and important, but the underlying causal agencies must be separately specified (though often they are not). But that aside, the game of chess illustrates ... why any laws or rules of emergence and evolution are insufficient. Even in a chess game, you cannot use the rules to predict “history” – i.e., the course of any given game. Indeed, you cannot even reliably predict the next move in a chess game. Why? Because the “system” involves more than the rules of the game. It also includes the players and their unfolding, moment-by-moment decisions among a very large number of available options at each choice point. The game of chess is inescapably historical, even though it is also constrained and shaped by a set of rules, not to mention the laws of physics. Moreover, and this is a key point, the game of chess is also shaped by teleonomic, cybernetic, feedback-driven influences. It is not simply a self-ordered process; it involves an organized, “purposeful” activity.[8]
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Many complex seemingly designed things exist, and yet... they can be easily reduced to emergent properties. I think DNA is one such thing, and the Universe too.