(June 4, 2018 at 10:30 am)Mathilda Wrote: Some theists like Godscreated actually claim to have more tangible sensations than this. I remember asking someone at the Salvation army about this and she told me that sometimes she actually feels God's presence in the room with her, which I suspect is the limit to what most theists manage to achieve.
I was also interested in the quote from George Harrison mentioned in another thread about how through meditation you can actually play with God. I'll see if I can find it.
I find it interesting from a neuroscience perspective. Schizophrenia for example can be disruptive yet religious experience isn't. Probably because for most religious practitioners it actually takes a lot of time and effort to summon up tangible sensory experiences and the recipient probably wants them.
Many people with (for want of a better term) abnormal psychology often claim that it's just a different way of being. There's never a single cut off point where you either have or don't have a particularly psychological condition. Brains are grown and therefore each one is different. Some are on the extreme end of a bell curve and maybe those with such sensory religious experiences aren't so extreme that their psychological make-up is considered problematic because they can still function in society.
I've heard religious people asked before what they make of those who actually claim to see and hear spirits and supernatural phenomenon. Do they wish they could see it as well or do they wonder if the person has mental health issues? For example I remember reading a facebook post about a baptism and one of the comments mentioned how they actually saw the demon leaving the body. What would everyone else there think who didn't see anything like that? And what I am particularly interested in, what was happening in the brain of the one that thought they did see it?
Shaman make these same claims when they experience god(s), either thru natural trance like states or with chemical assistance. It's limited to the single individuals mind/body. And they seem to psychologically need the experience. The mind can do some interesting things but in the end, it's all in the mind.
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.