(June 5, 2018 at 9:21 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:(June 5, 2018 at 9:17 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Seeing God is expressed in prayers of almost all mystics of all religions, but they all explain it's not the true self of God which is beyond all vision.
If you show me one claiming to see the full direct reality of God as he sees himself, I will withdraw that statement.
I've never even seen a mentally ill person claim that, let alone, others.
Moving the goalposts won't help you, Mystic. As a matter of record, Little Rik claims to experience God in his meditations, and GC claims to 'know' God from his experience. Whether they claim to experience the full direct reality of God is as irrelevant as it is dependent upon the specific beliefs of the individual as to what that would be and whether knowledge of such is indeed possible.
Ok, I will let them explain what they meant.
My statement from what I perceive didn't contradict that, you misinterpret it to contradict it, but you are getting my statement from the wrong angle.
For example, I would say yes Mohammad experience and saw God, but not directly as in see his full self and reality as God sees himself.
Rather it's through Signs and proofs which is light and beauty connected to him.
It's hard to take these conversations seriously when you are trying to apply fallacies to simple argue and not understand and move forward in dialogue.
