(June 6, 2018 at 4:31 am)CDF47 Wrote:(June 6, 2018 at 4:29 am)robvalue Wrote: He has admitted that his whole premise is mere assumption when he said a non-designed universe is impossible. It's a simple question which generally stumps anyone going on about ID. I think the nearest thing I got to an answer from someone was that a non-designed universe would be "simpler", but no explanation was given as to what exactly that meant, or why it would be the case.
You can't get a universe from nothing, not even a simple universe. This one is super-symmetrical/fine-tuned and definitely designed by a Creator.
From nothing, nothing flows. That much can be considered true.
But space-time is not nothing. Empty space-time is not nothing.
As I said before, science shows that space-time can generate matter and energy... so all you need to show is that a god can exist in the absence of space-time and that god is solely responsible for the creation of that space-time, from which everything else flows naturally.
God would be a truly amazing being as he would only create a simple thing... a thing of beauty that could then sprout our Universe and life and intelligence.... and, who knows, many more Universes!?
But you dumb god down to a measly creator of the Universe, dismissing what science tells us about space-time and using arguments filled with fallacies, not to mention the temporally charged concept of such creation that you consider to be ex-nihilo, but is anything but, given that it presupposes the existence of space-time.