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What is your problem with Islam? Think about it
RE: What is your problem with Islam? Think about it
(June 11, 2018 at 3:03 am)Khemikal Wrote: Yet another problem with islam.  Muslims are compelled to call any dissent with their interpretation of magic book "hate and lies".  Gee, can't even imagine why that might breed violent extremism.

Actually; when a certain religion calls a group of people "liars" and calls for "hating them" explicitly; then that religion advocates hate.
Isn't this innate capacity?

Shiites view Sunnies as killers of their "version of Jesus". Is this love?
There's a sectarian war between both sects, dating back to the death of Mohammed himself. Is that love?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Shi%27ism


Quote:The dispute over the right successor to Muhammad resulted in the formation of two main sects, the Sunni, and the Shia. The Sunni, or followers of the way, followed the caliphate and maFull Editintained the premise that any member of Quraysh could potentially become the successor to the Prophet if accepted by the majority. The Shia however, maintain that only the person selected by God through the Prophet (Hadith of the pond of Khumm) could become his successor, thus Imam Ali became the religious authority for the Shia people. Militarily established and holding control over the Umayyad government, many Sunni rulers perceived the Shia as a threat – both to their political and religious authority.[3]

Looks like the "Islamic democrats" won the majority of the Ummah after all. The underlined part is just one single proof that the Shiite sect is an anti-democracy dictatorship in its nature; so how the hell are you expecting me to lie and say otherwise?
The Shiite cult's beliefs themselves are a tribal war declaration !!!

Actually; that seems like centuries over centuries of pure grudge. The Shiite religion is built on the idea that the "Sunni majority" stole the caliphate from them; so members of the cult -especially the Twelver Shiites- are raised to hate Sunnies from birth. Ironically this was the center of the fight in Iraq in 2003; why didn't you do your homework right?

It's crucial to know who the militias religious allegiance were to; Shiite Militias usually fought with Americans, while Sunni Militias -like the guys who got eradicated in Falluja- were Sunnies.

The sectarian war got its two influences from both "Iran -Shiite" and "Saudi Arabia- Sunni". But the conflict between the two cults is way way way older than that.

So yes; what do you call a person, that tells you in the face that you're a traitor, and blames you for the death of his grandpa? A delusional fuck; indeed. accusing you of a crime you never done, and worships his God through hurting you? I mean that's a grudge that burnt both Iraq and Syria in modern times, and drew a long line of sectarian hate through history.

(June 11, 2018 at 1:35 pm)Confusion22 Wrote: I think it’s interesting how Christianity l, Islam, and Judaism all stem from the same God but have key differences. Almost they branch off into their own things. I’m most familiar with Christianity and Judaism as they are fairly similar except for Christians believe that Jesus is messiah whereas Jews believe their messiah hasn’t come yet. Followers of Islam or sons of ABRAHAM just like the Jews. It’s all so confusing but I’ve heard people make a lot of sense of it and try to convince me Christianity is right. I just don’t understand what Islam believes and why they think Israel is their land. Can someone clear this up if they know?

In Islam, it begins with the creation of the universe:

Quote:Sura 7, The Quran:

Sahih International
(54) Indeed, your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and earth in six days and then established Himself above the Throne. He covers the night with the day, [another night] chasing it rapidly; and [He created] the sun, the moon, and the stars, subjected by His command. Unquestionably, His is the creation and the command; blessed is Allah, Lord of the worlds.

Then after a while we don't know, he created Adam:
Quote:Sura 2, The Quran:
Sahih International


(30) And [mention, O Muhammad], when your Lord said to the angels, "Indeed, I will make upon the earth a successive authority." They said, "Will You place upon it one who causes corruption therein and sheds blood, while we declare Your praise and sanctify You?" Allah said, "Indeed, I know that which you do not know."

(31) And He taught Adam the names - all of them. Then He showed them to the angels and said, "Inform Me of the names of these, if you are truthful."

We are not told the details of what came before in the Quran; that's my belief: I only believe in the Quran. Anything outside it -like Hadith books, or Sunni/Shiite faiths are not valid-.

After creating Adam and teaching him, Satan -an angel- lured Adam to sin. God banished them from paradise to live on earth, and fight in it until the day of judgement:


Quote:Sura 2, The Quran:
Sahih International

(32) We said, "Go down from it, all of you. And when guidance comes to you from Me, whoever follows My guidance - there will be no fear concerning them, nor will they grieve.


Then it begins in earth. We humans should live our lives, making sure that we don't repeat the mistake our fathers did in paradise. The guidance of God is in a book called "the Quran", you can find it in libraries or on the internet, I brought the above verses from it:

Quote:Sura 17, The Quran:
Sahih International

(89) And We have certainly diversified for the people in this Qur'an from every [kind] of example, but most of the people refused [anything] except disbelief.


Previously, he revealed other books, revealed to Prophets, the most famous are Jesus and the bible, Moses and the Torah, Abraham, Noah...etc:


Quote:Sura 75, The Quran:
Sahih International

(25) We have already sent Our messengers with clear evidences and sent down with them the Scripture and the balance that the people may maintain [their affairs] in justice. And We sent down iron, wherein is great military might and benefits for the people, and so that Allah may make evident those who support Him and His messengers unseen. Indeed, Allah is Powerful and Exalted in Might.

That's my personal view, based on the Quran alone.
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RE: What is your problem with Islam? Think about it - by WinterHold - June 11, 2018 at 4:55 pm

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