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Illegal Immigrants
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RE: Illegal Immigrants
(June 23, 2018 at 11:46 am)FlyingNarwhal Wrote:
(June 23, 2018 at 11:09 am)Mr.wizard Wrote: Why is it more complicated, we are currently just throwing money at it, and we don't have a solution to stop people from coming here. The only way to stop people from coming here is to get them to want to stay where they are. It's not a problem for for people in Central America either because we could do the same thing there or they can partner with Mexico, it's the simple idea of people helping people. Right now our genius idea's are bus people to Canada and Build a ridiculously expensive wall nether addresses the actual problem.

There's a lot of different factors if your talking improving Mexico's infrastructure.  One thing we could definitely do to help would be ending the War on Drugs.  That would go a long way to help dismantling the cartels in Mexico and in turn make it safer.  We've also already tried working a deal with Mexico where we would send immigrants to them.  They'll take back their own citizens but they won't take immigrants from other Central & South American countries.

Spending money on another country's infrastructure is a step too far though in my opinion, especially one that shares a border with us.  The amount of money it would cost to make significant changes that would have some kind of impact would be astronomical.  We're also talking about creating jobs in Mexico, if you're doing it right the US would basically be spending money to potentially have businesses leave the US or at the very least make us less competitive on a global scale.

You have to think, the whole reason people are angry about illegal immigrants coming to this country is because they are taking American jobs and not paying taxes.  What your proposing is that the US should help to move American jobs to Mexico and we pay for it in our taxes as well.  It would probably face way more opposition then illegal immigration already does.

Why we send billions in foreign aid all around the world? Mexico already has a very aggressive plan for rebuilding their infrastructure but because they lack funding and are so underdeveloped it takes a very long time to get these programs completed, the US could easily invest in Mexico and Central America. Instead we are trying to build a 70 billion dollar border wall that costs 150 million dollars per year to maintain, and it wont stop immigrants from trying to get into the US.

Okay Illegal immigrants are not stealing jobs, because business owners could choose to hire american citizens. Anyone who has ever worked a job knows that when you apply for a job you are asked about citizenship and required to produce identification. Illegal immigrants do pay taxes, someone else has already posted those statistics so I won't do it again.

Also I did not propose that "we move American jobs to Mexico and pay for it through our taxes", I said nothing even close to that. What I propose is that we invest in Mexico's infrastructure to secure our borders rather than trying to build a ridiculous wall.
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Illegal Immigrants - by RoadRunner79 - June 23, 2018 at 8:42 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Silver - June 23, 2018 at 8:46 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by RoadRunner79 - June 23, 2018 at 8:56 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by FlyingNarwhal - June 23, 2018 at 9:04 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by brewer - June 23, 2018 at 8:55 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Mr.wizard - June 23, 2018 at 10:21 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by RoadRunner79 - June 23, 2018 at 10:31 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Mr.wizard - June 23, 2018 at 11:09 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by FlyingNarwhal - June 23, 2018 at 11:46 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by The Industrial Atheist - June 23, 2018 at 12:02 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by henryp - June 23, 2018 at 12:33 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by The Industrial Atheist - June 23, 2018 at 12:48 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by henryp - June 23, 2018 at 12:57 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by The Industrial Atheist - June 23, 2018 at 1:34 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by FlyingNarwhal - June 23, 2018 at 2:52 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by LadyForCamus - June 23, 2018 at 3:22 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by FlyingNarwhal - June 23, 2018 at 4:57 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Angrboda - June 23, 2018 at 7:04 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Mr.wizard - June 23, 2018 at 2:49 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by FlyingNarwhal - June 23, 2018 at 4:02 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Mr.wizard - June 23, 2018 at 4:45 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Ravenshire - June 23, 2018 at 5:56 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Mr.wizard - June 23, 2018 at 7:46 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Rev. Rye - June 23, 2018 at 9:43 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by LadyForCamus - June 23, 2018 at 12:36 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Pat Mustard - June 23, 2018 at 1:04 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 23, 2018 at 1:47 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Fireball - June 23, 2018 at 2:25 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Chad32 - June 23, 2018 at 10:25 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by The Industrial Atheist - June 23, 2018 at 11:12 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by LadyForCamus - June 23, 2018 at 1:03 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Losty - June 23, 2018 at 11:40 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by henryp - June 23, 2018 at 11:43 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Minimalist - June 23, 2018 at 12:42 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by The Grand Nudger - June 23, 2018 at 1:07 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by The Grand Nudger - June 23, 2018 at 2:27 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 23, 2018 at 2:50 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by The Grand Nudger - June 23, 2018 at 2:51 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 23, 2018 at 2:52 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by The Grand Nudger - June 23, 2018 at 2:55 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 23, 2018 at 3:38 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Amarok - June 23, 2018 at 3:09 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by brewer - June 23, 2018 at 10:06 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Amarok - June 23, 2018 at 10:17 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Minimalist - June 23, 2018 at 3:10 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by The Grand Nudger - June 23, 2018 at 3:11 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Minimalist - June 23, 2018 at 3:18 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Amarok - June 23, 2018 at 6:57 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 23, 2018 at 9:05 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Ravenshire - June 23, 2018 at 9:48 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 23, 2018 at 10:38 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Ravenshire - June 23, 2018 at 11:35 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 24, 2018 at 2:13 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Ravenshire - June 24, 2018 at 3:45 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 24, 2018 at 4:04 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by LadyForCamus - June 24, 2018 at 4:09 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Ravenshire - June 24, 2018 at 8:18 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by FlyingNarwhal - June 23, 2018 at 11:52 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Mr.wizard - June 24, 2018 at 5:43 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by FlyingNarwhal - June 24, 2018 at 10:39 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by LadyForCamus - June 24, 2018 at 11:06 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by FlyingNarwhal - June 24, 2018 at 1:12 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by LadyForCamus - June 24, 2018 at 2:13 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Mr.wizard - June 24, 2018 at 1:47 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Minimalist - June 23, 2018 at 9:22 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Amarok - June 23, 2018 at 9:25 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Amarok - June 23, 2018 at 10:43 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Minimalist - June 24, 2018 at 2:20 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Amarok - June 24, 2018 at 2:24 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 24, 2018 at 2:40 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Amarok - June 24, 2018 at 6:51 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by downbeatplumb - June 24, 2018 at 4:15 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by WinterHold - June 24, 2018 at 7:11 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Angrboda - June 24, 2018 at 8:17 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by WinterHold - June 24, 2018 at 8:30 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Angrboda - June 24, 2018 at 8:45 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by WinterHold - June 24, 2018 at 12:49 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Amarok - June 24, 2018 at 8:48 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by FlyingNarwhal - June 24, 2018 at 11:37 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Angrboda - June 24, 2018 at 5:14 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by The Grand Nudger - June 24, 2018 at 2:01 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Cecelia - June 24, 2018 at 3:22 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 24, 2018 at 3:25 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by LastPoet - June 24, 2018 at 4:57 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Minimalist - June 24, 2018 at 5:07 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 24, 2018 at 6:06 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Minimalist - June 24, 2018 at 6:14 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 24, 2018 at 7:41 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Cecelia - June 25, 2018 at 12:01 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Amarok - June 24, 2018 at 7:52 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 24, 2018 at 8:27 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Amarok - June 24, 2018 at 8:32 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 24, 2018 at 9:47 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Amarok - June 24, 2018 at 9:50 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Minimalist - June 24, 2018 at 10:21 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 24, 2018 at 11:53 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Ravenshire - June 25, 2018 at 1:07 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Joods - June 25, 2018 at 5:08 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by henryp - June 25, 2018 at 9:38 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Brian37 - June 25, 2018 at 10:40 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by RoadRunner79 - June 25, 2018 at 10:47 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Brian37 - June 25, 2018 at 11:14 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by RoadRunner79 - June 25, 2018 at 11:25 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Brian37 - June 25, 2018 at 11:34 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by RoadRunner79 - June 25, 2018 at 11:41 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Brian37 - June 25, 2018 at 11:50 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by RoadRunner79 - June 25, 2018 at 11:59 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Fake Messiah - June 25, 2018 at 12:18 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Mister Agenda - June 25, 2018 at 5:19 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by RoadRunner79 - June 25, 2018 at 5:23 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Mister Agenda - June 25, 2018 at 5:39 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by RoadRunner79 - June 25, 2018 at 5:50 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Mister Agenda - June 26, 2018 at 8:52 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 26, 2018 at 3:06 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Mister Agenda - June 26, 2018 at 4:28 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by RoadRunner79 - June 26, 2018 at 9:45 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Mister Agenda - June 27, 2018 at 11:43 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by RoadRunner79 - June 27, 2018 at 11:58 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Mister Agenda - June 27, 2018 at 12:12 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by RoadRunner79 - June 27, 2018 at 12:18 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Brian37 - June 27, 2018 at 12:57 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Amarok - June 25, 2018 at 12:04 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 25, 2018 at 12:19 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Amarok - June 25, 2018 at 12:32 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Mister Agenda - June 25, 2018 at 9:20 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Minimalist - June 25, 2018 at 12:31 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Minimalist - June 25, 2018 at 1:46 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 25, 2018 at 4:11 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Aroura - June 25, 2018 at 11:10 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Joods - June 25, 2018 at 9:48 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by henryp - June 25, 2018 at 10:04 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Joods - June 25, 2018 at 10:25 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by henryp - June 25, 2018 at 8:26 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Brian37 - June 25, 2018 at 10:23 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Amarok - June 25, 2018 at 2:03 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Brian37 - June 25, 2018 at 2:16 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 25, 2018 at 4:51 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Angrboda - June 25, 2018 at 5:47 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Brian37 - June 25, 2018 at 5:57 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Amarok - June 25, 2018 at 7:36 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 25, 2018 at 8:06 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Amarok - June 25, 2018 at 8:16 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 25, 2018 at 8:46 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Amarok - June 25, 2018 at 8:58 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 25, 2018 at 9:56 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Amarok - June 25, 2018 at 9:59 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Amarok - June 25, 2018 at 8:34 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Amarok - June 26, 2018 at 3:10 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Amarok - June 26, 2018 at 10:14 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Mister Agenda - June 27, 2018 at 12:41 pm

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