(June 25, 2018 at 6:48 pm)CDF47 Wrote:(June 25, 2018 at 1:51 pm)Wololo Wrote: If everything needs a creator, as the KCA asserts, then the question "what created god?" requires an answer describing the meta-creator, and the it's creator and that being's creator and so on in infinite regression.
It is the only possible answer to the KCA, turtles all the way down.
Their needs to be a first cause of intelligence. The universe does not have a mind. It took a mind to create the universe. I believe this mind is the primordial one.
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(June 25, 2018 at 5:23 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: Yah, if the only thing in the category 'things that don't begin to exist' is God, then it's just another term for God and the premise of the Kalam is just rewording of 'everything needs a cause, except God', and we're back to special pleading.
It pushes the problem to an intelligent mind.
Ah.... more claims.
Tell us, why is there a need for a first cause of intelligence? I am of the opinion that intelligence is an emergent property of brains. Why would it not be so?
What makes you say that it takes a mind to create the Universe?
If you look around, the planet Earth is filled with minds, some more intelligent, some less. With that, the Universe can be said to have quite a few minds in it.
